Why Do You Think Beast is Good/Bad?

[Charlaquin]

If there's one thing I've learned from this thread, it's that the biggest controversies surrounding CofD gamelines tend to stem from the books being written from the protagonists' perspective rather than a more objective third party. We've seen the exact same issue with Mage.

Remember folks, CofD casts the players in the bad guys' shoes. We should always be looking at our protagonists with a critical eye, regardless of how the books present them. (Actually that goes for non-CofD media too, but especially with CofD.)

[Ameraaaaaa]

i always thought that humens are the top of the food chart vampires have to drink blood werewolfs have problem controling themselfs promrthens want to be humen changeling are vetims mummys need cultists and sleep most of the time and are slaves to gods geists are reborn humens beasts need to feed on fear demens are hideing only mages are better then humens and they have paradox becuase of evil enarcs who ruined realty
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[nalak42]

i always thought that humens are the top of the food chart vampires have to drink blood werewolfs have problem controling themselfs promrthens want to be humen changeling are vetims mummys need cultists and sleep most of the time and are slaves to gods geists are reborn humens beasts need to feed on fear demens are hideing only mages are better then humens and they have paradox becuase of evil enarcs who ruined realty
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That's not how a food chain works Amera. Plus none of those are really disqualifying factors for a species technically being better than humans. (Whether or not the experience is would be up to debate.) Prometheans, mummies, and sin-eaters are night immoral, so it's not like humans can reliably kill them. The kindred, the beghotten, and changelings feed off or feed on humans (which is literally the primary qualifier for being higher in the food chain.) The garou having a temper is hardly a mark that they're inferior to humans. Especially when one takes into account that most humans have their psyche snap like a twig when facing a garou in chrinos form, before we get into actual physical superiority. Mages as stated are reality warpers. Then demons, are lets face it, in hiding from a being that only fails to be on the tier of a god because humanity is too insignificant a scale for it to easily and accurately manipulate without special tools.

[Ameraaaaaa]

But what about hunters there iproof humans are the craftyist things humen 2ed best mage beast in my opinion

[Elfive]

...Pardon?

[Ameraaaaaa]

Im i that perse

[Bunyip]

Ameraaaaaa your posts are very difficult to read and understand.

[Nyrufa]

i always thought that humens are the top of the food chart vampires have to drink blood werewolfs have problem controling themselfs promrthens want to be humen changeling are vetims mummys need cultists and sleep most of the time and are slaves to gods geists are reborn humens beasts need to feed on fear demens are hideing only mages are better then humens and they have paradox becuase of evil enarcs who ruined realty
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The only reason humanity is as high on the food chain as it is is due to A) our intelligence, and B) our technology.

Evolution has stripped us of our ability to survive in the wild without their assistance. I challenge you to go hunting in the forest with no tools, weapons or clothing and see how easily you can bring down live prey. Most of the apes we came from are strong enough to literally rip humans to shreds with their bare hands.

Now imagine that there are multiple species who possess that level of strength, in addition to human level intelligence and the capacity to use our technology. Suddenly, we're not on top of the food chain anymore, we're plummeting towards the bottom at terminal velocity.

[Charlaquin]

I'm pretty sure Amera didn't mean a literal food chain. I think they were just using it to express that humans are the best.

[Ameraaaaaa]

True humans are 2ed best in my opinion mage best thats all

[Nyrufa]

I'm pretty sure Amera didn't mean a literal food chain. I think they were just using it to express that humans are the best.

Perhaps, but point still stands. Humans wield power only because of their numbers. One human isn't a threat, neither is 2, or 3, or maybe even 5. Not when the monster is just as smart, just as tech savy, and many times more physically capable than them.

Now 100 humans ganging up on one monster, however, that poses a threat. But if your only means of survival is the fact that you breed like jackrabbits, one has to question if you're truly the dominant species.

[Ameraaaaaa]

Monster have so much weekness that a smart human can beet any monster plus i just feel great to be human We're all human what can i say

[Nyrufa]

Monster have so much weekness that a smart human can beet any monster plus i just feel great to be human We're all human what can i say

I think you are drastically overestimating the power of humanity.

Monsters in CoD don't have anywhere near as many weaknesses as human do. In fact, a bunch of these monsters become immune to the weaknesses that plague the human condition. And even if there are some weaknesses that they retain upon their transformation, they can recover from these weaknesses in record time. A human would be knocked out of commission for months just by suffering a broken leg, but a Vampire, Werewolf, or some Beasts would be back on their feet within the next hour and come seeking revenge upon whatever human saw fit to pick a fight with them.

Most of the monsters exceed the human life span by multiple centuries, affording them more experience and knowledge than any human could acquire, and allowing them to remain in their prime long after their enemies have begun to break down from age and disease. And a sufficiently powerful monster can wield supernatural powers that rival the effects of WMD's, such as a Stormlord Werewolf who can manipulate the weather to summon a tornado, or an Incarnate Beast who's body is so toxic that it kills everything in a 50 yard radius.


You can keep your weak, pitiful humanity. I'll take the powerful monster route any day.

[White Oak Dragon]

I think you are drastically overestimating the power of humanity.

Monsters in CoD don't have anywhere near as many weaknesses as human do. In fact, a bunch of these monsters become immune to the weaknesses that plague the human condition. And even if there are some weaknesses that they retain upon their transformation, they can recover from these weaknesses in record time. A human would be knocked out of commission for months just by suffering a broken leg, but a Bampire, Werewolf, or some Beasts would be back on their feet within the next hour and come seeking revenge upon whatever human saw fit to pick a fight with them.

Well said, Nyrufa. I agree with you. I'm reminded of a Futurama quote:

"The human was impervious to our most powerful magnetic fields, yet in the end he succumbed to a harmless sharpened stick!"

Yes, a smart human might be able to take down a more powerful monster, but I'd be inclined to think that a smart monster would have a better chance of doing so in most situations.

[Yossarian]

Well said, Nyrufa. I agree with you. I'm reminded of a Futurama quote:

"The human was impervious to our most powerful magnetic fields, yet in the end he succumbed to a harmless sharpened stick!"

Yes, a smart human might be able to take down a more powerful monster, but I'd be inclined to think that a smart monster would have a better chance of doing so in most situations.

"Turns out it's man!"

Another CofD-relevant Futurama quote...