The Namtaru and the Immortal

[ArcaneArts]

Thanks folks!

[TerrorCooper]

Arc, I have always been a huge fan of yours. And I must say, I wish your write-ups of the Families were what was in the books. You've helped me grok them so much better. I can't wait for Ugalu and Inguma. You are a treasure. All of this deserves to be Canon and outright stated.

I wholeheartedly agree on sentiments 1, 2 and 4-6, with #4 being expanded to include the Tallasii.

[Cleverest of Things]

Arc, I have always been a huge fan of yours. And I must say, I wish your write-ups of the Families were what was in the books. You've helped me grok them so much better. I can't wait for Ugalu and Inguma. You are a treasure. All of this deserves to be Canon and outright stated.

[TerrorCooper]

Uhhhhhh.

Probably never?

Again, I'm not fangirling or homebrewing here, I'm checking thought processes for making books, both supplements and new (semi-/) editions. The plan for anywhere from one-to-seven books would need to be accepted and a lot of progress done depending on the plan accepted before I would want to spend time thinking about explicit fanmade things in the same way I think about those books. In the meantime, things like this are tuning and lowkey drumming up public support, and on an even shorter timeframe just saving myself explanation for other projects.

Sorry if that sounds dismissive, it's just-like, I have my priorities here, and I have enough on my plate with trying to coherently express the above in a marketable way that dealing with fan works is just....not on the plate.

Now, if Cinder becomes the Beast Dev and gets the Irkalla in there, obvious exception, I find that highly viable, but that comes when that comes.

Eh, was just checking.

[ArcaneArts]

Just thought of something; would it be possible for you to give this treatment to some of the homebrew families on these forums, such as the Irkalla, Kishin and Typhon (Nightmares of the End, Conflict and Chaos respectively)?

It doesn't have to be now, or even for a while. I was mostly just wondering...

Uhhhhhh.

Probably never?

Again, I'm not fangirling or homebrewing here, I'm checking thought processes for making books, both supplements and new (semi-/) editions. The plan for anywhere from one-to-seven books would need to be accepted and a lot of progress done depending on the plan accepted before I would want to spend time thinking about explicit fanmade things in the same way I think about those books. In the meantime, things like this are tuning and lowkey drumming up public support, and on an even shorter timeframe just saving myself explanation for other projects.

Sorry if that sounds dismissive, it's just-like, I have my priorities here, and I have enough on my plate with trying to coherently express the above in a marketable way that dealing with fan works is just....not on the plate.

Now, if Cinder becomes the Beast Dev and gets the Irkalla in there, obvious exception, I find that highly viable, but that comes when that comes.

[TerrorCooper]

Just thought of something; would it be possible for you to give this treatment to some of the homebrew families on these forums, such as the Irkalla, Kishin and Typhon (Nightmares of the End, Conflict and Chaos respectively)?

It doesn't have to be now, or even for a while. I was mostly just wondering...

[Primordial newcomer]

Yeah, the Forsworn still have Gifts, Heroic Traits, Heroic Tracking/Stalking, and especially Anathema-the goal is to expand Heroes as they are into a version that groks better thematically. Mechanically, the Forsworn would add Lair, Satiety*, and [REDACTED]-which is what happens when Heroic Lair, Heroic Tracking, and Anathema come together as a Hero turns their eyes against a Beast or a Brood.

"Can you not feel the world, turning in my direction already?", as if Lair wasn't bad enough already.

*obviously, though, Heroic Lair and Satiety operates differently from Beastial and Insatiable Lair. Hero is a term of consequence.

Thank you! Also, from the quote and "Heroic Lair", I'm thinking it's something that allows to a Hero to use the environment (the Beast's own Lair traits) to their own advantage (as is classic in stories)

[ArcaneArts]

Arcane, the Forsworn still have the power of Anathema, correct? I love the writeups, but id be very sad to see such a staple power go

Yeah, the Forsworn still have Gifts, Heroic Traits, Heroic Tracking/Stalking, and especially Anathema-the goal is to expand Heroes as they are into a version that groks better thematically. Mechanically, the Forsworn would add Lair, Satiety*, and [REDACTED]-which is what happens when Heroic Lair, Heroic Tracking, and Anathema come together as a Hero turns their eyes against a Beast or a Brood.

"Can you not feel the world, turning in my direction already?", as if Lair wasn't bad enough already.

*obviously, though, Heroic Lair and Satiety operates differently from Beastial and Insatiable Lair. Hero is a term of consequence.

[Primordial newcomer]

Arcane, the Forsworn still have the power of Anathema, correct? I love the writeups, but id be very sad to see such a staple power go

[ArcaneArts]

The Foresworn are different types of Heroes, each arising from a potential member of the Begotten rejecting their Family-to-be's fear in a manner that's got a real high potential to become toxic.

More specifically, it's a draft attempt to contextualize Heroes in a way that brings who and what heroes are into focus-as equal and opposite assholes to Beasts, as a deconstruction of the heroic paradigm to really get at the toxicity that exists within the paradigm, as one of the foremost expressions of familial struggle, as a way to keep the psychological element in the forefront.

It's my answer for solving thematic and mechanical problems for Heroes as I sit here trying come up with an outline to pitch to Richard Thomas for at least the Beast Storyteller's Guide and at most a whole set of supplements and tenative Second Edtion. I put it up to see if I was on the right track. So far, it seems like the vision matches the ambition, as least in the edge of the sound it makes.

[TerrorCooper]

So, Forsworn are Heroes? and the idea is that this is a conception of Heroes where they have traits that directly conflict with specific Families?

The Foresworn are different types of Heroes, each arising from a potential member of the Begotten rejecting their Family-to-be's fear in a manner that's got a real high potential to become toxic.

[Master Aquatosic]

So, Forsworn are Heroes? and the idea is that this is a conception of Heroes where they have traits that directly conflict with specific Families?

EDIT: I just realized what's going on. Between my last few "mark all as read" clicks because of new thread density, a new project from two of my favorite essay writers was started. I'll look for it myself, but if someone wants to link me to a good starting point anyway, I would appreciate the gesture.

[TerrorCooper]

I'm probably gonna talk about Hunger when I return to the Corebook review. I have the principles of thought down(Security to Desire to Excess, the lines between taking, destroying, returning, gifting to others, or keeping it), but I haven't found a flow for those principles I find satisfying.

Well then, I'll happily await that time.

This tickles the notion that the Three Children aren't just types of the Dark Mothers most direct offspring, but that they also represent the major philosophical stances of all three Children-Beasts are the most fluid and open to being Heroic or Insatiable instead of Beastial, but it's not impossible to find a Heoric or Beastial Insatiable or a Insatiable or Beastial Hero.

Huh... Mind explaining, elaborating and extrapolating on that later? I think I get it, but i'd like to see what more you have on the subject.

With due respect, the linked projects don't fit with the material Cinder and I are working into supplemental/second edition outlines.

*Shrugs* Oh well, it was just an idea.

[ArcaneArts]

Still, I'm completely loving these! Maybe you could move onto the Hungers after completing the Families? After taking a suitably long break of course! It'd just be interesting on how you develop them.

I'm probably gonna talk about Hunger when I return to the Corebook review. I have the principles of thought down(Security to Desire to Excess, the lines between taking, destroying, returning, gifting to others, or keeping it), but I haven't found a flow for those principles I find satisfying.

Though I can't help but wonder what would happen if seven Beasts (each 'born' to a different family) and seven Heroes (each Foresworn from a different fear) were to wind up all talking and conversing with each other enough to realize all of this, and subsequently decide to team up to help teach these lessons to all they can...

This tickles the notion that the Three Children aren't just types of the Dark Mothers most direct offspring, but that they also represent the major philosophical stances of all three Children-Beasts are the most fluid and open to being Heroic or Insatiable instead of Beastial, but it's not impossible to find a Heoric or Beastial Insatiable or a Insatiable or Beastial Hero.

Also, just thought of something; would you and Cinder be willing to start working together with me to try and cobble this 'series' of threads with these four other threads which also try and revamp heroes? I might not be the fastest, or most mentally agile, of folks, but I'm persistent, and willing to try and take things through to the end.

With due respect, the linked projects don't fit with the material Cinder and I are working into supplemental/second edition outlines.

[TerrorCooper]

Just three left!

If I remember correctly, this just leaves the Ugallu, Nightmares of Exposure, with the Armored, Foresworn of Exposure, the Inguma, Nightmares of The Other, opposed by the Priests, Foresworn of The Other, and the Talassii, Nightmares of Confinement, against the Libertines, Foresworn of Confinement.

I've also thought up of other names you could ascribe to the Heroes of the remaining Foreswearings; namely, the Shielded, the United and the Unbound respectively. Hey! I never said they were going to be good names, just names that I had thought up.

Still, I'm completely loving these! Maybe you could move onto the Hungers after completing the Families? After taking a suitably long break of course! It'd just be interesting on how you develop them.

Though I can't help but wonder what would happen if seven Beasts (each 'born' to a different family) and seven Heroes (each Foresworn from a different fear) were to wind up all talking and conversing with each other enough to realize all of this, and subsequently decide to team up to help teach these lessons to all they can...

Also, just thought of something; would you and Cinder be willing to start working together with me to try and cobble this 'series' of threads with these four other threads which also try and revamp heroes? I might not be the fastest, or most mentally agile, of folks, but I'm persistent, and willing to try and take things through to the end.