Apotheosis of the fetch

[Excess]

Unless I am mistaken the fetch always has an identical Wyrd rating to their changeling, so what happens when the changeling turns True Fae?

[Tessie]

When? If it can happen (which is up to the ST) it would be so rare and momentous you'd work out such detail on a case-by-case basis.

[Excess]

When? If it can happen (which is up to the ST) it would be so rare and momentous you'd work out such detail on a case-by-case basis.

When? At the moment the changeling ascends. I am not sure it is a case-by-case basis. After all, rare does not mean patternless.

[Tessie]

It has to be on a case-by-case basis because there are no rules for it to happen. There is no known surefire way of going about it. The one line I've seen about changelings becoming True Fae in 2e is in Oak, Ash, & Thorn, and that's in a sidebar that says that certain eldritch titles may allow something like that to happen (aka, it's up to the ST/group to decide), with no hard rules for what sets such Entitlements apart from regular ones. It may very well be impossible, meaning it's purely in-setting speculations and rumours.

[Korogra]

If it does happen, well I don’t know. There is nothing that says Fetches benefit from the extended lifespan that changelings gain from their Wyrd, so in all likelihood the Fetch will die of old age long before their changeling half gains the Wyrd level and loses the Clarity in order to transcend into the Fae state. The Fetch is meant to serve as a replacement for the human who was snatched after all, and humans are meant to grow old and eventually die.

BUT, assuming they can and do persist as long as their changeling half does.. well If I was going to rule that the Fetch would achieve a similar apotheosis; I’d say that it becomes an Actor for the nascent Fae, or possibly their Nemesis: sharing the same Name, but as always serving as the foil and rival vying for the same life and privileges... just like the two did when they were merely playthings.

[Excess]

It has to be on a case-by-case basis because there are no rules for it to happen. There is no known surefire way of going about it. The one line I've seen about changelings becoming True Fae in 2e is in Oak, Ash, & Thorn, and that's in a sidebar that says that certain eldritch titles may allow something like that to happen (aka, it's up to the ST/group to decide), with no hard rules for what sets such Entitlements apart from regular ones. It may very well be impossible, meaning it's purely in-setting speculations and rumours.

Oh, that is what you meant. I forgot.

[Excess]

If it does happen, well I don’t know. There is nothing that says Fetches benefit from the extended lifespan that changelings gain from their Wyrd, so in all likelihood the Fetch will die of old age long before their changeling half gains the Wyrd level and loses the Clarity in order to transcend into the Fae state. The Fetch is meant to serve as a replacement for the human who was snatched after all, and humans are meant to grow old and eventually die.

BUT, assuming they can and do persist as long as their changeling half does.. well If I was going to rule that the Fetch would achieve a similar apotheosis; I’d say that it becomes an Actor for the nascent Fae, or possibly their Nemesis: sharing the same Name, but as always serving as the foil and rival vying for the same life and privileges... just like the two did when they were merely playthings.

The best foils have something that set them apart. Perhaps the fetch doesn't become True Fae, but something more ground in ironside. Maybe a defender of sorts?

[Korogra]

Sadly that makes less Sense to me, a Nemesis who shares the Faes name is more thematically fitting for an apotheosis in my opinion. But I suppose it’s doable.

[Excess]

Sadly that makes less Sense to me, a Nemesis who shares the Faes name is more thematically fitting for an apotheosis in my opinion. But I suppose it’s doable.

What I mean is that the Gentry are basically interchangeable narcissists. "What" they are, rather than "who" they are is all that matters. They share the same conundrum of fire: endlessly changing, yet made the exact same monolith because if that.

If you want a deeper foil past superficialities and technicalities then you need something that isn't Gentry, like a changeling or any other thing.

[Unahim]

Surely a True Fae would be so well versed in the magic of the True Fae that he can just disband or re-absorb the Fetch? The Fetch only has its powers by link to the Changeling after all, so once that Changeling becomes True Fae, it has a direct link to work its power directly on the Fetch, one would think. While a Fetch does get stronger as the Changeling gets stronger, it's not like they get the "full package" so to speak, so...

Of course, since such an event is likely to be the defining moment of a campaign, whatever works for your story, works!

[Excess]

"Surely"? On achieving such power they get greater limitations and penalties to boot. So we can't be sure that it is the case.

[Satchel]

Unless I am mistaken the fetch always has an identical Wyrd rating to their changeling, so what happens when the changeling turns True Fae?

Here's a fun idea: the scarecrow gets to be a real boy.

God knows the changeling's not using that name anymore.

[HobbitGuy1420]

I can't comment on 2E, but in 1E, I always figured this was where syzygy Keepers came from. A Changeling and her Fetch reach mutual hypothesis and become a dual Keeper.

[Unahim]

"Surely"? On achieving such power they get greater limitations and penalties to boot. So we can't be sure that it is the case.

I meant to imply that there's sufficient leeway to rule it that way if you wish, but indeed, on re-reading I must admit my intentions did not come across clearly. ^^