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[Epimetheus]

I don't have the impression that the Siddha really hate the Abyss; they do not touch him; but as their relationship with Exarchs they are satisfied that there is a rough filter to limit the number of Ascendeds and just take away human concepts, (The Exarchs want to rule over humanity and want to become down-to-earth concepts of temporal power, The Siddha affect esoterics symbols want to merge with their favorite arcana and do not care about humanity) they are like businessmen who finance distant dictatorships for their interest without getting their hands dirty.

They tacitly support the Exarchs; and therefore (even if they probably not admit) the Abyss.

That's not how it works.The siddha don't care about the exarchs but when an exarch goes too far when it comes to twisting an arcana they'll be one of the first ones to oppose them. The reason you can't have a siddha of the abyss is because it's in the nature of the abyss to twist the universe into something entirely alien. Thereby corrupting the arcana, which goes against the siddha philosophy no matter how much you try to twist it. In the end, if the Exarchs want to rule the world it's not a big deal. If the abyss twists reality so it's unrecognizable then yeah it's a big deal. Simply because they don't care about the exarches doesn't mean they'll even remotely support the abyss when it does everything antithetical to the nature of a Siddha.

[Suleri Drals]

Where I said they want that the Abyss becomes more important than now ?
In the same way that Tetrarchs aren't pro-abyss for not seeking to destroy the Abyss but to hold him to make a filter; Siddhas let them do even if they not admit it. (See the second "Legends of the Siddha")
Since they do not care about the policy of the Exarchs and do not fight against them that makes them passive supporters. (as lead the life of a average westerner makes you a passive slave-driver)

[Epimetheus]

Where I said they want that the Abyss becomes more important than now ?
In the same way that Tetrarchs aren't pro-abyss for not seeking to destroy the Abyss but to hold him to make a filter; Siddhas let them do even if they not admit it. (See the second "Legends of the Siddha")
Since they do not care about the policy of the Exarchs and do not fight against them that makes them passive supporters. (as lead the life of a average westerner makes you a passive slave-driver)

Well... This conversation is over.

[Suleri Drals]

Remark on slavery was a bit of a joke ; although I believe that selfishness is supposed to be the great vice of the Siddha.

[Epimetheus]

Remark on slavery was a bit of a joke ; although I believe that selfishness is supposed to be the great vice of the Siddha.

The point of the Siddha is to care about the whole rather than the individual and in that the pursuit of a perfect balance. The Abyss will always threaten this balance that said they aren't proactive because it's impossible to be proactive against something you can barely interact with let alone fight against.

[Suleri Drals]

Each Entente have a dark side...maybe the Boddhisatvas have realy creates the Banishers; maybe the Siddha revel in this elitist world and lack of emphaty.
This is not an in-universe common criticism against the Siddha from other Ententes ? (Especially boddhivastavas ?)

[Epimetheus]

Each Entente have a dark side...maybe the Boddhisatvas have realy creates the Banishers; maybe the Siddha revel in this elitist world and lack of emphaty.
This is not an in-universe common criticism against the Siddha from other Ententes ? (Especially boddhivastavas ?)

That they are selfish. Yes. That their selfishness means they ignore and/or traffick with the abyss no.

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Why do the Seers of the Throne call themselves the Seers of the Throne?

[Foolish Milex]

They think their purpose is to divine the will of the rulers of the cosmos.

[Suleri Drals]

Ascended Archmasters
Some rare archmasters do achieve the Final Key, Ascending to
the Supernal Realms permanently. These Invisible Masters may
not be able to visit the Fallen World bodily any more – many
are said to be merged with their Cintamani or Chantry

It's probably stupid but i don't get this, Ascended Archmasters aren't supposed to be merged with their cintamanni in the Supernal ? thus why this mention of "merged with their chantry" (a world in their soul) ?

Maybe a Ascended Archmaster still have a chantry who is integrated in his ascended soul/lustrum (rather than his former golden road) , but why the "or" ?

[Korusef]

A bit of thread necromancy.
I am fairly new to the MtAw setting so I have some questions about the basic system. I will try to post them one at a time, mostly to make sure that my understanding of the rules is correct.

New question: Spell Emotional Urging is Mind 2, it works on one target at sensory range.
Now if I wanted to cast it at sympathetic range, I would need 'Mind 3 + Space 2', because it actively affects the target.
I would also have to spend 1 Mana. So far all clear.
If I understand the rules, this spell will also become Vulgar, leading to Paradox roll as well, am I correct?
Another question, if I wanted to affect area instead of just one person, would I need 'Mind 4 + Space 2' ?
And if I wanted to cast it with Advanced Prolongation, would that be 'Mind 5 + Space 2' spell?

[Krobeles]

New Question: Does a Mages use of his Arcana to manipulate things such as magnetic fields, gravity and heat, give him a better understanding of those things, allowing him to purcase dots in Science? Or for an equivalent eksample of a different Arcana/skill, Medicine for Life/Death or social skills for Mind?

[Thorbes]

Yes to all. Note that turning a Target afecting spell into an Area one also increases the cost by a point of Mana. So 2 Mana for the sympathetic area of effect Emotional Urging.

[Korusef]

@Krobeles: As far as I know the rules only handle the XP cost of raising skills it is not very specific about how you obtained your knowledge, so unless your ST rules otherwise you could gain the appropriate knowledge this way.

nWoD p. 217: "The Storyteller decides just what he needs to do to qualify. It might take days of study in a library, or enroll- ing in a semester-long night course at the local college. It could be a simple matter of days spent in the wilderness, or a week’s worth of repetitive practice. Most Skills can be self- taught with time and effort, if a character is smart and dili- gent. Otherwise, a teacher might be required."

[Korusef]

New Q: The spell Temporal Dodge (Time 2) (or other spells like it) has a normal duration one scene. By spending 1 Mana it can be prolonged to whole day. What does it take to have it for indefinite duration, Time 3 or 4?