It doesn't, in the current version of the rules, because indefinite-duration spells cannot be cast on living Patterns without archmastery.
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Totally forgot about that one.
New Q:The spell Reading Outmost Eddies had duration Prolonged(one scene), how does it work? Does it provide one instance of small fortune per cast or does it simply keep sending small fortunes your way for the duration?
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Originally posted by Suleri Drals View PostIt's probably stupid but i don't get this, Ascended Archmasters aren't supposed to be merged with their cintamanni in the Supernal ? thus why this mention of "merged with their chantry" (a world in their soul) ?
Maybe a Ascended Archmaster still have a chantry who is integrated in his ascended soul/lustrum (rather than his former golden road) , but why the "or" ?
However, Archmasters do know that the Golden Road remains behind, including the Cintimanni and any Chantries. And that these retain elements of the Archmage's personality, and that the Seekers of the Throne give Ministers access to them as part of their duties. So it is not unreasonable of them, to suspect that Ascension involves completely merging with one's perfected Soul, and that one might find some remnant of the Ascended within either Lustrum or Chantry.
On the other hand, the rest of the book seems clear - insofar as possible, considering the toolbox nature of the nWoD - that Ascension merges the archmage with their Cintamani, and what remains behind in Chantries is not the Ascended Mage, but semi-abandoned Subsouls. So this is probably not true by default.
It would, however, be easy to insert into your game - and pretty cool, too.
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Originally posted by MugaSofer View PostOn the other hand, the rest of the book seems clear - insofar as possible, considering the toolbox nature of the nWoD - that Ascension merges the archmage with their Cintamani, and what remains behind in Chantries is not the Ascended Mage, but semi-abandoned Subsouls. So this is probably not true by default.
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The Golden road of an Ascended mage remains behind, though is unstable and called a Wending. The Chantries and Irises that connect them to the worlds they were Seeded from may still be be entered (though not always), and the golden road can still be observed. "Inhabitants such as orphaned Ochemata or any Chantry population may still be present and rival Seekers may have
claimed the Wending as territory." Furthermore, "Archmages can absorb Chantries built in Wendings into their own Roads with the Practice of Entities." Finally, the golden road can crumple and be destroyed if someone tries to cross it, and they would then be dumped into the Abyss.
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Thanks but I said that because a line from Imperial Mysteries. (My quote in my original post), maybe this is an incorrect assumption from the non-ascended archmasters's viewpoint. (obvisouly, I know about Wendings and the fact that "Ascension is merging with his Cintammani" is almost explicit elsewhere)
(although the idea of a few archmasters merging with their chantry and become a part of the Phenomenal World* rather than ascend in the Supernal seemed rather cool to me it reminds me of the Selenim's Realms from Nephilim)
*Essentially use the Seeker's Ascension to harmonize yourself with Reality (Phenomenal World) Rather than the Supernal Truth (a little like the Aswadim who use the Golden Road to no longer be in harmony with the universe)
The "Noumenon" would be like "create and impose a place in the Phenomenal World from his Chantry and become the expression (not the idealization of course, the goal is become more real than true) of this part of the Phenomenal World" I don't think it would be so metaphysically impossible, more "interfere with the thematic of the game or the archmasters are not numerous enough to form Ententes with this kind of Ideas or succeed in this kind of audacity (or far too unique to be know)
But if it was an Entente, the Ethos would be like "The Phenomenal should not be slave of the Supernal's Tyrants or the Abyss and you can reign as good below as above; Anamorphosis is as an Apotheosis as the Supernal Ascension" and takes the realization that the Phenomenal World is no less than the Supernal up to eleven.
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Since Satchel already answered the other one...
Originally posted by KorusefCan you get specific isotopes with Matter 5 or would you need higher levels?
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Thing is, matter (low case m) at atomic and sub-atomic levels is a grey area of overlap between Matter and Forces (though sub-atomic is mostly Forces). Anyway, not all isotopes are radiocative, and those that aren't need only Matter, but radioactive isotopes (most of them, really) do need Forces, as anything that generates radioactivity needs it. It doesn't matter you are not making it radioactive, the fact that it is is enough to need the conjuctional Arcanum.
EDIT: now, that's bound to change in the FWC as it seems Conjuctional requirments are way, way, less exigent. It may be just Matter (or just Forces, or any of them indistictly) in the new rules.Last edited by Thorbes; 06-18-2014, 05:21 AM.
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Originally posted by Thorbes View PostThing is, matter (low case m) at atomic and sub-atomic levels is a grey area of overlap between Matter and Forces (though sub-atomic is mostly Forces).
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Yeah - creating Matter that then happens to produce radiation shouldn't need Forces going forward, IMO, any more than producing Caesium that you then chuck into water does because it bursts into flame.
Or, as in the current rules, producing liquids that happen to be toxic, despite "create poison" also being a Life spell.
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And what about altering the state of matter to plasma? Could (and should) be posible with Matter alone? It is one of the 4 basic states after all, but some of the common manifestations as electrical currents or flames are suposedly covered by Forces.
By the way, I hope is posible.Last edited by Thorbes; 06-19-2014, 07:04 AM.
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