The Fallen Realms

[Rosencroft]

First map is mine... glad someone is using it still..
But even back when I drawn it, it was meant to be a prop and not completely accurate. It was there to show my players what else is out there, beyond our world...

[Dave Brookshaw]

Hi there. Is this M:tA 1ed Map of the Cosmos still okay. Or are there adjustments to make?
1. Map:

2. Map:

No, and as Tessie notes, they weren't in 1st ed, either.

[Rosencroft]

Anyhow, back to the topic... is there any other Realm/world/dimension that we didn't mention here?

[Peraxis]

No, and as Tessie notes, they weren't in 1st ed, either.

Is there an accurate image then of, probably 1e, noted realms?

Anyhow, back to the topic... is there any other Realm/world/dimension that we didn't mention here?

Perhaps the Internet/network realm thing from the FC spell (FC112 - Virtual Voyage.)?

[Mrmdubois]

Is there an accurate image then of, probably 1e, noted realms?

There isn't and never will be, the cosmology was deliberately designed to confound mapping to allow STs more flexibility.

[Peraxis]

There isn't and never will be, the cosmology was deliberately designed to confound mapping to allow STs more flexibility.

Ah, I misunderstood Tessie and Dave then - I thought they were implying there was an accurate image somewhere and the two images were wrong.

[milo v3]

Ah, I misunderstood Tessie and Dave then - I thought they were implying there was an accurate image somewhere and the two images were wrong.

Well, those two images are wrong even without the weird cosmology. First one has major issues of thinking everything falls under the Supernal, while the second one has tonnes of weird things which don't match up with the games at all (though it seems to have tried to compensate the fact that some things seem to be in two places, that does end up making it look even more incorrect).

The most accurate way to make a map would probably be to create set of maps, each associated with a different gameline.

[maekkel]

understood. Is there a difference in the mentioned realms in 1ed and 2ed?
Which one are not there.

[milo v3]

At the top of my head, the only different realms are some additional example emanation realms and various GM Splinters.

[Dave Brookshaw]

Emanation Realms moved from being on the far side of the Abyss to being on this side, changing them from archmaster-only things to places player characters can visit.
Duat is outright stated to be a Lower Depth
The Arcadia question was answered with "No, the Gentry's Realm is not the Supernal Realm of Time and Fate;" in 1e it was ambiguous

There's structural changes to the Underworld, but you'll have to wait for Geist 2e for them.

[Rosencroft]

I was planning on drawing separate maps for gamelines/realms like the first map.... want me to post them here when I finish them?

[Second Chances]

I was planning on drawing separate maps for gamelines/realms like the first map.... want me to post them here when I finish them?

Definitely. Maps being wrong doesn't mean that they aren't useful.

[Sakii]

Emanation Realms moved from being on the far side of the Abyss to being on this side, changing them from archmaster-only things to places player characters can visit.
Duat is outright stated to be a Lower Depth
The Arcadia question was answered with "No, the Gentry's Realm is not the Supernal Realm of Time and Fate;" in 1e it was ambiguous

There's structural changes to the Underworld, but you'll have to wait for Geist 2e for them.

Given how the Fae feed on emotions, would Arcadia be a Lower Depth?

[ahather]

a friend of mine mentioned something (from imperial mysteries) about changeling Arcadia being the supernal Arcadia, just not the current supernal Arcadia, possibly being pre-Exarch Arcadia or maybe being post Exarch Archadia

[Mrmdubois]

Given how the Fae feed on emotions, would Arcadia be a Lower Depth?

It could be, but it's never been specifically called out as one.

ahather That was before they clarified in later material that the two Arcadia are definitely not the same thing.