The Fallen Realms

[Mrmdubois]

One thing I remembered recently... we also have that alternate Salamanca world were magic is different

That's worlds, plural, there are at least 20+ that have been recorded, you get examples of 2 in the book. It's not that magic works differently though, just that in most of the worlds it doesn't work at all except on the Mage who travels there and the things they bring with them. What isn't mentioned in the book that I want to explore is, do Mages from those places come here?

[Tessie]

Fate 3 to open Hedge Gates and Fate 5 to create new ones.

[nofather]

They can do it in second edition, and first. I don't imagine they'd get any less able in three editions the way power creep goes.

A lot of Hedge Gateways tend to have a Fate-oriented key that the Fate Arcana could be used to replicate.

[Johnny Awesome]

I used to allow Fate to open gateways into the Hedge. Would this be a no-no in 5e?

[Rosencroft]

One thing I remembered recently... we also have that alternate Salamanca world were magic is different

[Nicolas Milioni]

Tome of the Watchtowers mentions the Intruder War. I think Seers of the Throne has the Tutor.

Thank you,I'll check it out.

[reseru]

I Know the Duat and The Inferno are Lower depths,is there any more mentioned?

Tome of the Watchtowers mentions the Intruder War. I think Seers of the Throne has the Tutor.

[Scarlet Witch]

Hi there. Is this M:tA 1ed Map of the Cosmos still okay. Or are there adjustments to make?
1. Map:

2. Map:

now that everyone has said those images are inaccurate, I'd love to say that they at least look really gorgeous, and that npc characters in a game wouldn't necessarily have to know the maps are inaccurate. What a great red-herring those maps could be for an intrepid mystagogue about to get in way over their head!

[Falcon777]

Much as mages are aware of the Gauntlet as having an interior they can summon things out of, my fanon (which may, once Meghan lets me read Changeling, turn into canon) is that mages aware of it assume the Hedge is what mages call the Astral Barrier - the thing between dreams and the Oneiros that hurts (and costs Mana) to push through. The Gentry are off on a cosmological right-angle to everything mages are used to, and that's cool.More Arcane Beats for everyone!

That's also a somewhat terrifying thought. Any mage exploring his oneiros is bypassing a realm of nightmares and madness (beautiful madness, but madness still). Imagine if pushing through the boundary doesn't work for someone and he falls into it instead! Arcane beats indeed!

[Nicolas Milioni]

Emanation Realms moved from being on the far side of the Abyss to being on this side, changing them from archmaster-only things to places player characters can visit.
Duat is outright stated to be a Lower Depth
The Arcadia question was answered with "No, the Gentry's Realm is not the Supernal Realm of Time and Fate;" in 1e it was ambiguous

There's structural changes to the Underworld, but you'll have to wait for Geist 2e for them.

will there be new lower depths mentioned in any future book. I Know the Duat and The Inferno are Lower depths,is there any more mentioned?

[Dave Brookshaw]

a friend of mine mentioned something (from imperial mysteries) about changeling Arcadia being the supernal Arcadia, just not the current supernal Arcadia, possibly being pre-Exarch Arcadia or maybe being post Exarch Archadia

Imperial Mysteries is a first edition book. Note also that that's the book that introduced Emanation Realms, before they moved to the other side of the Abyss in second ed so everyone could play.

[Dave Brookshaw]

Much as mages are aware of the Gauntlet as having an interior they can summon things out of, my fanon (which may, once Meghan lets me read Changeling, turn into canon) is that mages aware of it assume the Hedge is what mages call the Astral Barrier - the thing between dreams and the Oneiros that hurts (and costs Mana) to push through. The Gentry are off on a cosmological right-angle to everything mages are used to, and that's cool.More Arcane Beats for everyone!

[Satchel]

Mages who study it would most certainly put it in the Depths. It's a convenient label for strange, hungry realms, after all.

They regularly manage to not place the Shadow under that umbrella and the particulars of the term are more specific than "any ill-understood realm that influences the world."

[Seidmadr]

Given how the Fae feed on emotions, would Arcadia be a Lower Depth?

Mages who study it would most certainly put it in the Depths. It's a convenient label for strange, hungry realms, after all.

[Mrmdubois]

Given how the Fae feed on emotions, would Arcadia be a Lower Depth?

It could be, but it's never been specifically called out as one.

ahather That was before they clarified in later material that the two Arcadia are definitely not the same thing.