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**Cauthon** · 08-13-2022, 05:17 PM

Frankenstiens
A legacy of mad scientists, fascinated with subverting Death and the limitations of the human form. Sister Legacy to the Cyberneticists and Redeemers

Nicknames: Mutationists, Geneticists, Resurrectionists, Madmen (Derogatory)
Organization: Cabals of Frankenstiens are rare; rather, they tend to ally with members of their sister legacies. This frequently results in unsettlingly unpredictable minions to operate through.
Theory: The grave is no bar to my call
Background: The Frankenstien legacy propagates most frequently through daimonomikon, specifically diaries of previous Masters. It’s unknown when the Legacy was first formed, but the earliest known daimonomikon dates back to the early Renaissance.

Legends within the Legacy, however, tell of one of the first Mages to Awaken in the paleolithic era. Supposedly, this Mage was accidentally subjected to an Imperial spell that excised his ability to die or age. Driven by a desire to see his tribe conquer the land -and eventually, the stars, once he was made aware of other planets- this elder of the Legacy shaped his soul soas to breed the ideal human. Being able to resurrect the dead was just a side-benefit. Of course, given the lack of proof for this story, most Mages dismiss it as unlikely.

Parentage: Obrimos; Mysterium, Free Council, or Seers of the Throne
Ruling Arcanum: Life
Yantras: Medical implements (+1); Medical journals (+1); Personal laboratories (+2); Hospitals or morgues (+2)
Oblations: Writing scientific papers related to genetics; Conducting medical experiments; Graverobbing

Prerequisites: Life 2, Medicine 2, Science 2, Occult 2
Initiation: Even for those inducted via Daimonomikon, there is an element of loss and mania in their induction. Most often, it's triggered by an incurable disease in a loved one, or an untimely death. The teacher or book will offer some boon that can help the inductee, tantalizing them further down the path.

Butcher's Eye
(Life ●) Initiation
It is important to know the quality of your samples before going to work. The Geneticist lays hands on a subject, gaining an invasive understanding of their physical status.

(Death ●)
You can learn a lot from a body, even in death. By touching a corpse, the Geneticist learns what caused it's death. They also learn the target's physiology in life. Further, it has odd effects on Vampires.

Trust Me, I'm A Doctor
(Life ●●) Medicine 3
Mundane sickness falls surprisingly easily beneath the ministrations of an enlightened scientist.

(Death ●●)
The Geneticist conjures a trickle of Ectoplasm between their fingers, the deathly goop instantly shaping into a simple medical tool of their choice.

Sum Of Its Parts
(Life ●●●) Occult 3, Science 3
With careful ministration and knowhow, the Geneticist seals all but the worst wounds. An invaluable aid, in surgery

(Death ●●●)
There's plenty of spare parts to go around, you just need to know where to look. The Geneticist becomes able to graft unliving flesh onto living subjects, providing them with replacement limbs or strange mutations. If the donation is taken from a still-living donor, the change is Lasting.

Look Upon My Works
(Life ●●●●) Medicine 4
Mixing together a noxious concoction of "donated" ichor, chemicals, and agar, the Geneticist creates a draught of enhancing elixir. When drunk, the liquid adds one of the "donors" physical attributes to the imbiber's own.

(Death ●●●●)
While supernatural donors are not necessary for good draughts, the best draughts make extensive use of them. The imbiber gains a measure of defensive capabilities of the donor, armouring them in unnatural flesh.

IT'S ALIVE!
(Life ●●●●●, Death ●●●●●) Medicine 5, Occult 4, Science 4
The pinnacle of the Geneticists art, they become able to resurrect the dead. This does have limits - without Time 2, the body must be relatively intact and undecayed. With Time 2, the majority of the corpse or skeleton needs to be present, restoring the body to life as it was moments before death. And, perhaps most importantly, the resurrected body remains Soulless until a new soul is acquired.

Secrets and Story Hooks
● The beloved spouse of a local Councilor has died, and they have been seen consorting with a local Frankenstien. Reaper concerns aside, said Frankenstien is also an "ex" Seer.

● Rumors persist of an undersea civilization, amphibious humans created by a Frankenstien in primeval times.

● Every once in a while, and rare twice over for requiring a Legacy Master, the final Geneticist Attainment spawns a Promethean rather than the intended resurrection. There is no rhyme or reason to what causes this - both composite-corpses and intact corpses have been known to trigger this effect. Geneticists themselves are fascinated by this, and those aware of Prometheans often hunt them down for study.

● Several prominent athletes have vanished, and the local Frankenstein seems awfully physically competent these days… Worse, various Supernatural factions around the city are reporting members vanishing in ways that only a Mage could have accomplished.

Cybernetisists
A legacy of mad scientists, fascinated with subverting death and the limitations of the human form. Sister Legacy to the Frankenstiens and Redeemers

Nicknames: Programmers, Ripperdocs, Resurrectionists, Madmen (Derogatory)
Organization: Same as the Frankensteins
Theory: Same as the Frankensteins
Background: An offshoot of the Frankenstein Legacy, founded in the 1940s when the idea of cybernetics started to take a firmer root in the collective consciousness. The Legacy became heavily entwined with the Pantechion, latching onto the idea of entrapping Sleepers in a technobabble method of money buying longevity for yourself and your loved ones.

Parentage: Moros; Free Council or Seers of the Throne (Pantechion)
Ruling Arcanum: Life
Yantras: Same the Frankensteins, plus Programing equipment (+1) and Metalwork shops (+2)
Oblations: Writing scientific papers related to cybernetic implants; Conducting medical experiments; Crafting prosthetics

Prerequisites: Same as Frankensteins.
Initiation: Same as Frankensteins.

Butcher's Eye
(Life ●) Initiation
NOTE: Same as the Frankensteins attainment

(Matter ●)
Focusing on an object -be it some new bit of tech or a foreign object in a patient- the Ripperdoc becomes aware of its chemical makeup

Trust Me, I'm A Doctor
(Life ●●) Medicine 3
NOTE: Same as the Frankensteins attainment

(Matter ●●)
Meditating on the nature of tools, the Ripperdoc gains an instinctive understanding of any object they study.

Sum Of Its Parts
(Life ●●●) Occult 3, Science 3
NOTE: Same as the Frankensteins attainment

(Matter ●●●)
The flesh is weak, even if the spirit is willing. The Ripperdoc can fix that little flaw right up though. They can temporarily integrate technology into a subject, allowing them to spit bullets or breathe fire. Additionally, the Ripperdoc can add more permanent effects - they can use prosthetics to permanently cure physical Tilts affecting their subject.

Look Upon My Works
(Life ●●●●) Medicine 4
NOTE: Same as the Frankensteins attainment, except it takes the form of an injection

(Matter ●●●●)
While supernatural donors are not necessary for good elixirs, the best ones make extensive use of them. The injection enhanced in this way causes any prosthetics the subject has to expand, engulfing them in an unnatural armor. As such, this effect cannot be used on anyone without some kind of implanted prosthetics, although anything as simple as a hearing aid will do.

IT'S ALIVE!
(Life ●●●●●, Matter ●●●●●) Medicine 5, Occult 4, Science 4
The pinnacle of the Ripperdocs art, they become able to resurrect the dead. This is time- and resource-intensive - the Ripperdoc supplements any catastrophically damaged tissue with artificial replacements. The subject only needs to have 50% of their brain to be a valid target, although damage to that degree will require a massive investure in cybernetic replacements. And, perhaps most importantly, the resurrected body remains Soulless until a new soul is acquired.

Secrets and Story Hooks
● Once resurrected, a Cyborg requires a certain level of physical and psychological therapy to recover. This becomes even worse when there are extensive neurological replacements. A recent resurrection appears to have gone rogue, a Deviant manifesting some occluding power to hide from its creator. It also did not yet have a soul, but appears to have mutated into an animavor to compensate.

● Every once in a while, and rare twice over for requiring a Legacy Master, the final Ripperdoc Attainment spawns an Unfleshed Promethean rather than the intended resurrection. There is no rhyme or reason to what causes the effect. Ripperdocs themselves are fascinated by this, and those aware of Prometheans often hunt them down for study.

Redeemers
A legacy of mad scientists with a religious bent. Sister Legacy to the Frankenstiens and Cyberneticists

Nicknames: Preachers, Faith Healers, Resurrectionists, Madmen (Derogatory)
Organization: Same as the Frankensteins
Theory: Same as the Frankensteins
Background: An offshoot of the Frankenstein Legacy, thought to have splintered off early in their history. Though roughly identical in their practices, the Redeemers focus more on magic and its integration into the human form. Particularly pretentious individuals may ape pop-culture Egyptian trappings.

Parentage: Obrimos; Mystagog or Seers of the Throne (Paternoster)
Ruling Arcanum: Life
Yantras: Same the Frankensteins
Oblations: Same as the Frankensteins

Prerequisites: Same as Frankensteins.
Initiation: Same as Frankensteins.

Butcher's Eye
(Life ●) Initiation
NOTE: Same as the Frankensteins attainment

(Prime ●)
Meditating long enough to attune themselves to magic, the Redeemer opens their eyes to the flows of Magic around them.

Trust Me, I'm A Doctor
(Life ●●) Medicine 3
NOTE: Same as the Frankensteins attainment

(Prime ●●)
A twist here, a nudge there, and any magical tool bends to your will.

Sum Of Its Parts
(Life ●●●) Occult 3, Science 3
NOTE: Same as the Frankensteins attainment

(Prime ●●●)
Where the Frankensteins modify flesh both living and dead, and the Cyberneticists play with their mechanical toys, the Redeemers prefer to deal with the more delicate matters of magic.

Look Upon My Works
(Life ●●●●) Medicine 4
NOTE: Same as the Frankensteins attainment

(Prime ●●●●)
While supernatural donors are not necessary for good elixirs, the best ones make extensive use of them. The draught enhanced in this way girdles the imbiber with a shell of power

IT'S ALIVE!
(Life ●●●●●, Prime ●●●●●) Medicine 5, Occult 4, Science 4, Fluent High Speech
Anointing the recently deceased with sacramental oils and symbolic embalming fluids, the Redeemer performs the ultimate redemption - pulling someone back from death. Those who return come back changed, strangely susceptible to High Speech, but also with the scales drawn back from their Sleeper eyes. This does have limits - without Time 2, the body must be relatively intact and undecayed. With Time 2, the majority of the corpse or skeleton needs to be present, restoring the body to life as it was moments before death.

Secrets and Story Hooks
● One of the Consilium's Sleepwalkers seems to get very jumpy whenever people start talking in High Speech.

● Artifacts have been going missing from the Athenaeum, and someone has been running around the city acting like a superhero.

● A friendly Redeemer integrated a Werewolf Fetish and a Changeling Token into one of their retainers. Something went wrong, and now they've come to you looking for help putting down the monstrosity that has resulted.

● Every once in a while, and rare twice over for requiring a Legacy Master, the final Redeemer Attainment spawns a Promethean rather than the intended resurrection. There is no rhyme or reason to what causes the effect. Redeemers themselves are fascinated by this, and those aware of Prometheans often hunt them down for study.

**KaiserAfini** · 08-13-2022, 11:10 PM

How do the Cybernetisists view the Austere, who take a different approach to integrating machinery into themselves ? How do they feel about complete mechanical beings like the GM, Angels, Demons and the Gadgets they create ? Have they ever considered utilizing a brain chip to create lesser recreations of a patient, such as what Desty Nova does in the Battle Angel Alita mangas and how Joker returns in the Batman Beyond movie ?

How do the Redeemers feel about the Myrmidons being subjected to similar effects via the Oath-Tongue ? How does the Paternoster react when sacred Exarchial Artifacts from their reliquiaries are used in such creations ? Do they consider it a blasphemy ? Would the subjects be considered saints ? Would they be chosen by a traditional process and indoctrinated into certain sacred roles, similar to Azrael in the Batman comics ?

**Cauthon** · 08-13-2022, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by KaiserAfini View Post

How do the Cybernetisists view the Austere, who take a different approach to integrsting machinery into themselves ? How do they feel about complete mechanical beings like the GM, Angels, Demons and the Gadgets they create ? Have they ever considered utilizing a brain chip to creare lesser recreations of a patient, such as what Desty Nova does in the Battle Angel Alita mangas and how Joker returns in the Batman Beyond movie ?

The Ripperdocs find the Austere fascinating, but think of them in the same way a modern singularian would view the Adeptus Mechanicus.

GM and Angels? Mildly horrified. These things are machines so complex that they cannot be intergrated. They're no longer tools, they're threats.

Brain chips are one method of restoring Cyborgs or creating Lasting prosthetics for the Disciple attainment. Very useful for conditioning a new servant.

Originally posted by KaiserAfini View Post

How do the Redeemers feel about the Myrmidons being subjected to similar effects via the Oath-Tongue ? How does the Paternoster react when sacred Exarchial Artifacts from their reliquiaries are used in such creations ? Do they consider it a blasphemy ? Would the subjects be considered saints ? Would they be chosen by a traditional process and indoctrinated into certain sacred roles, similar to Azrael in the Batman comics ?

Myrmidons are interesting in the possible connection, but have gotten Redeemers in trouble for dissecting a few Myrmidons in the pursuit of that Mystery. Especially because the few times they've gone in prepared and resurrected -and re-souled- the Myrmidon afterwards, the Myrmidon has come back without the Proximus template.

The Paternoster and Mysterium generally doesn't condone Artifacts being implanted into Sleepwalkers or other lesser servants, but grudgingly allows it on a case-by-case basis for Mages. Especially when the Mage receiving an intergration is the one giving the permission. Some are set up as saints in specific cults, with the intergration done for that specific purpose. More commonly, the Paternoster Redeemer uses the "specifically created Imbued Item" clause, which is considered more of a benediction for useful servants.

Asklepians
A legacy of doctors and medics, dedicated to healing others.

Nicknames: Medics, Docs, Trauma Teams
Organization: Medics are very social, and maintain close and regular contact with any other Asklepian they meet. Individual Asklepians are usually spread out among cabals, ensuring that they can assist as many people as possible. Rarely, dedicated cabals of Asklepians called “Trauma Teams” form to handle emergencies at a moments notice. Trauma Teams are often mobile, with a Space specialist providing them transport to the latest hotspot.

In the Sleeper world, Asklepians are usually involved in medical endeavors and charitable programs, honing their skills in free clinics and aid organizations. A surprising amount take vows of poverty, or occupy non-descript jobs such as hospital janitors that allow free movement but little attention. Quite a few bind spirits of healing as Familiars, giving them snake bodies if opting for physical forms.
Theory: A death does more than kill the victim. It kills everything they could become.
Background: A very old Legacy, thought to have been founded by a student or contemporary of Hippocrates. Asklepians are not particularly flashy, and their life is not glamorous, but their skill and utility has kept their line alive and respected though the ages. Even Seers see the occasional Medic in their ranks, although the emphasis on selfless service has generally clashed with the teachings of the Ministries.

Parentage: Acanthus; Silver Ladder, Free Council, or Adamant Arrow
Ruling Arcanum: Life
Yantras: Medical implements (+1); Medical journals (+1); A log of all patients cured and their affliction (+1, +2 if recording more than a century of treatments); Asklepian rods (+1, +2 if crafted from materials of appropriate cultural symbolism to the Medic); Nonvenemous snakes (+1, +2 if the Mage's Familiar); Charity facilities (+2); Hospitals (+2)
Oblations: Ministering to the sick, Preventing injuries before they happen, Researching new techniques, Successfully using a patient's dreams to treat their afflictions

Prerequisites: Life 2, Medicine 2, Professional Training (Medical Professional) 1
Initiation: The Asklepian initiaition is surprisingly simple: swear to prioritize healing and non-violence over Gordian solutions. Most teachers are Acanthus, meaning they can enforce these oaths with Fate magic. Some Asklepians specifically take Vows of Pacifism to this effect, but most acknowledge that sometimes a dagger in the heart of a foe can be as much of a balm as cutting out a cancer.

Triage
(Life ●) Initiation
Quickly assessing the vitals of a patient, the Asklepian checks them over for anything that needs immediate attention.

(Time ●)
Disconnecting themselves slightly from the normal flow of time, the Asklepian models the potential immediate future and assesses how they should proceed.

Sterilize and Prioritize
(Life ●●) Medicine 3, Professional Training 2
Oftentimes, the body can repair itself if given the opportunity. The Asklepian forcefully purges the patient’s body of hostile foreign substances and organisms, supporting that natural human tenacity.

(Time ●●)
Expanding on their temporal foresight, the Medic dodges more mistakes that would harm their patients.

Life Support
(Life ●●●) Professional Training 3
Sometimes the flesh is too badly damaged to recover on its own, or there isn’t enough time to let it do so. The Asklepian performs routine and almost symbolic assessment and treatment of the patient. Under their ministrations, flesh knits together at impossible speeds.

(Time ●●●)
The Asklepian weaves a protective bubble of time around their patient, inhibiting their natural healing but also keeping them from growing worse.

Stubborn Persistence
(Life ●●●●) Medicine 4, Professional Training 4
Forcing a surge of Supernal strength through the patient, the Asklepian gives them the strength necessary to overcome their current trials.

(Time ●●●●)
Forcing a pulse of Supernal power through themselves, the Asklepian jumps back a short length of time.

Hand of God
(Life ●●●●●) Medicine 5, Professional Training 5
Calling down a near miraculous level of medical understanding, the Asklepian coaxes the body to recover from nominally irreparable wounds.

(Time ●●●●●)
Time compresses around the Asklepian, allowing them to accomplish in seconds what would take a lesser doctor hours or even days.

Variants: A variant of the Legacy, which claims to be the original, uses Fate rather than Time magic. These "Dream Serpents" place a heavy emphasis on interpreting the dreams of their patients beforehand.

Secrets and Story Hooks
● An Asklepian has been accused of conducting horrific experiments on their patients, then undoing the damage with their Time Adept Attainment. All of the Cabal have gone under the knife recently, and now the question has come up; do they want to know if they were victims?

● The local Asklepian is Orderless, and sworn to non-violence and indiscriminate service. They’ve declared their home to be neutral ground, and occasionally service Seers and even Scelesci. Will the Cabal honor this neutrality, or abuse it to eliminate their enemies? What about said enemies, who are likely asking themselves the same question?

● As an ancient Legacy of doctors, some Mages wonder if the Asklepians are the originator of the Frankenstein Legacy. There are more than a few similarities in skill and ability, if not in ethics.

● Going against the grain of selflessness that most Askleipans practice, a local Medic has begun selling their physical enhancement ability to the highest bidder.

**KaiserAfini** · 08-14-2022, 12:27 AM

Wouldn't changing the primary factor limit what can be regenerated due to low Potency ?

Some additional yantras for consideration, based on the temples of Asclepius:

* A log of all patients cured and their affliction (based on the one in the temple of Epidaurus)
* A reproduction of the rod of Asclepius, more valuable if carved by the mage from a medicinal tree
* Facilities modeled based on Asclepieia (healing temples)
* Nonvenomous snakes (symbols of the god)

Another oblations could be interpreting dreams of patients for omens of a cure, since it was a common practice by medics of the tradition. It could also be interesting if Time could grant the Dream merit to patients or the doctor. That way when a cure was beyond normal magic, it would tell them where to search.

The last optional Attainment would not necessarily exhaust the mage, since they can use the third optional Attainment on themselves to pull off shifts as long as they need, never losing focus, speed, precision or damaging their own health, even when they are constantly rushing in the most calamitous emergencies.

**Cauthon** · 08-14-2022, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by KaiserAfini View Post

Wouldn't changing the primary factor limit what can be regenerated due to low Potency ?

Regenerate's normal Primary Factor is Duration. I do the necessary switches when I write the Attainments up. Current Attainment can do internal organs and limbs, or any lesser injury, but can't handle regrowing all of a person's skin, or parts of their brain.

Originally posted by KaiserAfini View Post

Some additional yantras for consideration, based on the temples of Asclepius:

* A log of all patients cured and their affliction (based on the one in the temple of Epidaurus)
* A reproduction of the rod of Asclepius, more valuable if carved by the mage from a medicinal tree
* Facilities modeled based on Asclepieia (healing temples)
* Nonvenomous snakes (symbols of the god)

Another oblations could be interpreting dreams of patients for omens of a cure, since it was a common practice by medics of the tradition.

Yoinked, thanks!

Originally posted by KaiserAfini View Post

It could also be interesting if Time could grant the Dream merit to patients or the doctor. That way when a cure was beyond normal magic, it would tell them where to search.

Sounds like a good Fate variant. I may spin that up.

Originally posted by KaiserAfini View Post

The last optional Attainment would not necessarily exhaust the mage, since they can use the third optional Attainment on themselves to pull off shifts as long as they need, never losing focus, speed, precision or damaging their own health, even when they are constantly rushing in the most calamitous emergencies.

True. Time is a fun Arcana.

**Cauthon** · 08-15-2022, 06:09 PM

Shadowbrokers
Elusive fixers and puppet masters.

Nicknames: Eyes, Controllers (Derogatory), Schemers (Derogatory), Lurkers (Derogatory)
Organization: Controllers are tainted by their Master Attainment; every recorded Master has abused it in some way. While low-ranking Eyes have their uses to the Pentacle as covert operatives, most keep their affiliations hidden. Eyes often end up coordinating mixed cabals of fully Left Handed Legacies, avoiding regular contact with their own to keep from being identified. Eyes among the Seers are mistrusted, but no more so than any other Seer.

It should be noted that despite their disreputable stigma -and borderline Lefthanded status- most young Shadowbrokers are idealists who just want to help. They are most often knowledge-brokers, and only truely slip into the "ends justify the means" stereotype of their Legacy in their twilight years.
Theory: Archmages work through pawns, why shouldn't we?
Background: While often derided as being sociopaths who spent too long watching superhero cartoons as kids -and identifying too much with the villains, at that- the Eyes originally formed as a convergent evolution of Legacies of viziers and kingmakers. Their precursor forms used Time or Spirit for optional Attainments, but the advent of the technological age -and, admittedly, superhero villains- led to a shift in focus towards Forces magic.

The precursor Legacies trace their history back to the Middle East and Italy, to a wide array of cultures in which religious leaders could make or break rulers. Time-based versions mostly skimmed the possible futures to plan Xanatos Gambits, while Spirit-based variants played on animist or omen-based signs and portents to sway their pawns. While cabals of these individuals were rare, cooperation between the two variants was often devastating.

The modern incarnation has a disputed origin, with every First-world Country -Cold War Superpowers especially- having a reasonable claim to the dubious honor. MK-Ultra is frequently thrown out by conspiracy theorists, though it’s usually more as a buzzword than actual understanding. Eyes are somewhat unclear on their own history, as they are often limited to only knowing any students they take and their own mentor.

Parentage: Obrimos; Free Council, Guardians of the Veil, Seers of the Throne
Ruling Arcanum: Mind
Yantras: Communication devices (+1); Acting through a proxy (+1); Dossiers on the spell's target (+1 for a page or two of information, +2 for extensive records); Observing through Drones or Familiars (+2)
Oblations: Building a string theory display; Performing maintenance on surveillance equipment; Building dossiers on potential or existing pawns

Prerequisites: Shadow Name 1, Trained Observer 3
Initiation: Execute a convoluted scheme that furthers your goals whether it succeeds or fails, while maintaining your anonymity.

This Has Potential…
(Mind ●) Initiation
Everything you encounter in life has a use, as long as you remember they exist

(Forces ●)
The Eye's senses sharpen as they study their current plan, slight paranoia setting in as they study the complexity of their grand game.

Who Is Kaiser Souzai?
(Mind ●●) Hidden High Speech, Occultation 1
The Eye is difficult to identify as the source of their own schemes, even in at their lowest levels. As part of their planning, they craft a mental mask to hide behind. Even dedicated mind-readers can be lead astray when trying to assess them.

(Forces ●●)
Eyes are often glued to their phones or computers, coordinating pawns and surveillance. With practice, the Eye can shuck the need for such base tools.

Parallel Planning
(Mind ●●●) Shadow Name 2, Fluent High Speech
Juggling plans and gathering information grows easier when you can focus on more than one thing at a time.

(Forces ●●●)
When receiving data has become child's play, sending it becomes a logical leap.

I Already Know.
(Mind ●●●●) Shadow Name 3, Fast Spells, Empathy 3
With a glance, the Eye gets a glimpse of their target's inner thoughts.

(Forces ●●●●)
The Eye's tools need to keep up with their schemes, and so they impart a spark of Supernal perfection into any digital device they interface with.

That Wasn't A Request.
(Mind ●●●●●) Shadow Self, Pusher
With a word, the Controller initiates their endgame.

(Forces ●●●●●)
Possibly the point that makes the Controllers as distrusted as they are, a Master of Forces can give their final order over any electronic medium they have access to.

Variants:
Spirit-Talkers

Architects

Drone Cages

Associated Tools:
Watchers

Description: Actually several Imbued Items assembled into a greater whole, Watchers are the -very expensive- favored tools of the Shadowbroker Legacy. Watchers usually appear as propeller drones, to protect their active spells for as long as possible, but variants that look straight out of science fiction are common among the Free Council factions. Shadowbrokers typically control Watchers with their Tune In and Transmission Attainments, and can trigger any necessary Imbuements as long as they do so. Truly rich Shadowbrokers make their Watchers out of Perfected Metals and Alloys, or make them large enough to mount weapons on. Young Shadowbrokers generally start out with only one or two gimmicks in their drones, upgrading them as they aquire resources and allies.

Abilities: While individual units may vary, common upgrades for a Watcher are:

A power source Imbued with a persistent Perpetual Motion
A camera Imbued with a persistent Pierce Deception (Optional “Highlighted Truth” Reach effect), Supernal Vision (Optional "Other Supernaturals" Reach Effect) and Camera Obscura (“Lasting Recordings” Reach Effect)
A section of it -usually the chassis or the “wing” assembly- Imbued with a persistent Levitate (Fluid movement Reach Effect). This supplants the need for normal locomotion, although propeller drones will usually keep their propellers moving to avoid Dissonance.
A small Imbued device that can trigger Invisibility or Incognito Presence on command
A transmitter/receiver in the control unit, Imbued with a persistent Co-Location variant. This sends their signal directly to a paired unit at the user's end, preventing interception, time-delay, or interference

Some variants also include an Open condition for Familiars to possess and pilot the Watcher when their master is otherwise occupied. Watchers with integrated weapons will often have Endless Bounty added in, to give them limitless ammunition.

COMMENTARY: Every Shadowbroker wants to be a Tech Hero to some degree, although the rich and goal-oriented usually turn into Lex Luthors rather than Batmen.

Secrets and Storyhooks
● A member of the cabal in law enforcement has discovered a Daikonomikon buried in the agency’s files - a dossier on a long-dead Shadowbroker Master that contains all five levels of initiation within the various mundane descriptions of their known activities. No-one in the office is sure how the file became a Daikonomikon - even the greybeard Mages on the force who were involved in taking the Shadowbroker down are positive that the file was ordinary the last time they saw it. Is the Shadowbroker significantly less dead than the greybeards thought? And what will they do with the Daikonomikon?

● Someone has been leaking extremely sensitive secrets about the local Pantechion Seers to the Pentacle - no-one is quite sure who this “Oracle '' is, but they’ve been spot on the money with all of their intel. Everyone would believe it was a Guardian operation, if it wasn’t for the fact that all intel is being fed straight to random members of the Assembly. Is this part of a long con? Some deep-cover scheme that the President and Strategos have kept from the Voters?

● A fresh-faced Mastigos has come to the cabal’s Prime expert looking to purchase a large quantity of Imbued items. Supernal cameras, limitless power sources, cloaking devices… The first thought is that they’ve fallen into the Superhero trap that many young Mages eventually grow out of. Then the matter of payment comes up, and the Mastigos offers up a bundle of valuable and sensitive information that will place a very large target on the cabal’s back. Suddenly their extracurricular activities are looking much more suspicious.

● A Drone Cage's Codex has gone rogue, seemingly having become independent and self-sustaining after numerous recompiles. While this would normally just be an irritating -if somewhat fascinating- nuisance, the Codex contains all it's creators information on Consilium members. Where they live, who their families are, everything. And It's put the information up for sale, to the highest bidder.

**Cauthon** · 08-17-2022, 03:02 AM

Icons
A legacy of wanna-be superheroes.

Nicknames: Capes, Supers, Justice Friends
Organization: While Legacies that give you “superpowers” are a dime a dozen, few Mages elect to operate like a comic book superhero. This Legacy thus had no competition cornering that market. While not all Capes like one-another, all acknowledge a common goal of “bringing justice”, and will usually cooperate towards that end. In major emergencies, the entire Legacy can be called to battle, although the relative youth of the group places hard limits on the power they can bring to bear.

Capes operate in small teams that don’t generally exceed five people, and often treat these affiliations as separate from any cabal they maintain in day-to-day life. When possible, they induct Mages from other Legacies into these teams to broaden their skill-sets.

Apprentice Capes are usually mentored by a senior Cape, and will often take on a Cabal Theme together. Unless teacher and student suffer a major falling out, they maintain close ties even once the mentee “graduates”.

Individual Capes will usually designate their “Mission”; this frequently lines up with one of their Aspirations or Obsessions, but translates into the cause they believe they fight for. Sometimes it’s simple, like “Keep my neighborhood safe”. Other times it’s broad, like “Truth, Justice, and the American Way”. Capes may not agree with another’s Mission, but when push comes to shove they’re expected to either help or get out of the way.
Theory: If the Exarchs are symbols of Tyranny, then we need to become symbols of their opposition.
Background: A very young Legacy, born out of the wide-eyed idealism of comic book fans around 1985. The Nameless and Free Councilors that founded the Legacy were few in number, often rebellious apprentices of Blank Badges and Quiescent. These apprentices struck out on their own, becoming a cabal of vigilantes who used their great powers to strike back against injustice rather than just whining about “The Man” or hiding themselves away.

They didn’t last long. As individuals, they were greater than the common thug, but as soon as Supernatural attention was drawn they were swiftly wiped out. Magic can only substitute for so much skill, before being out of shape gets you eaten by a hungry vampire. The survivors didn’t give up though, merely adapting their methods and recruiting some Arrows to give them and their apprentices proper combat training. Though still a small Legacy, their numbers are growing, and novel branches of the Legacy are not uncommon. They’ve even managed to seduce some of the Adamant Arrow to their cause, playing on the honor of protecting the downtrodden.

Parentage: Acanthus; Free Council, or Adamant Arrow
Ruling Arcanum: Forces
Yantras: Domino masks (+1); Using a Catchphrase (+1); Distress calls (+1, +2 if called via personalized "Bat Signals"); Saving a life (+1, +2 if doing so risks your own life); Entering or exiting a scene unseen (+1, +2 if a location that is difficult to access by normal means); A villain monologuing (+2)
Oblations: Surveying their territory from a high perch, Listening to police scanners, Maintaining a “Secret Identity”

Prerequisites: Forces 2, Shadow Self, Athletics 2, Brawl 2, Streetwise 2
Initiation: Help your mentor Cape strike a blow against evil. Often, this comes in the form of a standoff between them and their “Arch-Nemesis”.

Faster Than A Speeding Bullet
(Forces ●) Initiation
The Cape meditates on the nature of their Mission, aligning the Forces coursing through their body

(Prime ●)
The Cape's mission is important, a part of them that permeates their very being.

No Evil Shall Escape My Sight
(Forces ●●) Supernal Taxonomy, Street Fighting 2 OR Martial Arts 2 OR Unarmed Defense 2
The Cape's mission takes them into the darkest corners of the world. They must be prepared to drive back the shadows.

(Prime ●●)
The Cape looks deeper, sifting the weevils from the wheat

More Powerful Than A Locomotive
(Forces ●●●) Fast Spells, Iron Skin 4, Street Fighting 3 OR Martial Arts 3 OR Unarmed Defense 3
The Cape's blows strike true, allowing them to down even the toughest of foes without resorting to base weaponry.

(Prime ●●●)
The Cape gathers raw power into their hands, unleashing it in a bolt of force that batters their foes.

You Can't Kill A Symbol
(Forces ●●●●) Street Fighting 4 OR Martial Arts 4 OR Unarmed Defense 4
The Cape can take a surprising amount of abuse, and has grown adept at redirecting attacks.

(Prime ●●●●)
The Cape's bolts have reached such potency that they can even blast magic back across the Abyss, so long as they understand the basic principles of the spell.

It’s a Bird! It’s a Plane!
(Forces ●●●●●) Imposing Nimbus, Street Fighting 5 OR Martial Arts 5 OR Unarmed Defense 5
The Cape lifts off the ground, gravity's pull irrelevant beside the weight of their Mission.

(Prime ●●●●●)
The Cape's crusade is not one of mere action, but of inspiration. They take on sidekicks; less than apprentices, but more than the downtrodden they protect, these ex-Sleepers internalize the Cape's Mission and fight beside them. Well-trained sidekicks often graduate into allied Hunters, and some exceptional individuals are even able to Awaken.

Secrets and Storyhooks:

● A cabal of Capes has joined forces with a cabal of Shadowbrokers to clean up their city. Long abandoned by both the Pentacle and the Seers as irrelevant, Awakened opposition within the metropolis was non-existent. The cabals called in some help on occasion for threats outside of their wheelhouses, but mostly it’s been a campaign of inspiration and intimidation. They’re actually doing a great job - crime is down, murders are at an all-time low, corrupt politicians have been exposed and ousted (or at least blackmailed), and even corporate scumminess has been scrubbed back somewhat. Of course, their activities have not gone unnoticed by Seers, Vampires, Slashers, or Hunters. The Guardians have managed to discredit or downplay reports of “real life superheroes”, but sooner or later someone is going to be called to account.

● Two of the Legacy's founders are still around and very active - "Mandrake the Magician" and "The Phantom". At least, everyone assumes they're still around - even among mages, the two vigorously hid their "secret identities". It's wholey possible that both kicked the bucket or moved on long ago, and the current incarnations are simply apprentices who took on the mantles. Now one of their old foes has seemingly risen from the dead, and it's up to the Cabal to learn what dirt the old Icons may have to help fight them.

**KaiserAfini** · 08-17-2022, 10:16 PM

Some possible yantras could be personalized gadgets, using their catch phrase appropriately, working to answer a call for distress (+2 for callers using a personalized signal, like a hunting horn or batsignal), acting to save lives, adhering to a superhero code (yantra bonus subjected to the same rules as an Oath), facing a Rube Goldberg trap, monologuing enemy, dramatic entrace or stealth hi/bye.

I think perhaps what the fourth Prime Attainment is trying to do would be a custom spell using elements of Stored Spell and Energize Object, perhaps using a mana so the spell activates when someone speaks a keyphrase, pushes against the secret marker or steps upon the magical trap.

I think it would also be interesting if one of their Attainments had use a Supernal Summoning to get a sidekick, examples of such Attainments can be found on the Legacy convertion thread.

Regarding names, I think the Masked Vigilantes could work. I think it would also be interesting if the founders were called The Phantom and Mandrake the Magician (both were the first known comic heroes of the Golden Age). The current Phantom is the inheritor of the first's Oath, using high tech gadgets together with his martial training (because The Phantom 2040 was a very fun show).

**Cauthon** · 08-17-2022, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by KaiserAfini View Post

I think it would also be interesting if one of their Attainments had use a Supernal Summoning to get a sidekick, examples of such Attainments can be found on the http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-new-world-of-darkness/mage-the-awakening/1051456-even-more-legacies-updated-to-2e?p=1139611#post1139611"]Legacy convertion thread[/URL].

I think a better (if more boring) way of generating a sidekick would be Stealing Fire. Sidekicks should generally be lesser versions of the hero, characters who can develop as time goes on, or be used to develop their mentor. It'd build off the "weirdness magnet" tropes of the Superhero genre too, with one super-powered individual causing a domino effect of other anomalies.

Have it be an investure of some kind - maybe they can buy Occultation and are treated as being a valid partner for Cabal Theme? Maybe a mix of Stealing Fire and Forge Purpose?

Actually, I might just make Stealing Fire+Forge Purpose the Master Attainment, and put Dispel Magic into the Adept slot. If the sidekick -or support staff, I suppose- gets enough Arcane XP to buy the Awakened template, they immediately get called to the trial.

For a summoner-superhero, I'll see about writing up a stage magician-themed Legacy. Got a nice seed-image of a mage pulling a Totem out of a rune-rimmed hat to huck at a foe.

**Cauthon** · 08-18-2022, 09:16 AM

Stage Maestros
A legacy of Summoner-Stage Magicians.

Nicknames: Magicians, Illusionists, Hat-Tricks
Organization: Magicians are very close-knit, sharing their rotes and knowledge amongst themselves with no regard for Order lines. Correspondence is a regular thing, mostly occurring through Imbued items and dedicated web forums. It’s not unreasonable to say that every Magician has at least met every other member of the Legacy, if not necessarily gotten well-acquainted with them.They maintain an unexpected distance from mages outside the Legacy, since they want to inspire greatness and innovation in others rather than lead them by the hand.
Theory: Wonder and hope go hand in hand.
Background: Something of a black-sheep Legacy, the Conjurers are an offshoot from older hermetic traditions such as the Thrice-Great. While they still truck with Spirits and raw magic, the founder of the Conjurers was an unusually humble théarch. The Conjurers prefer to entertain and surprise, believing that even the Awakened need moments of wonder and delight. Given that most Mages neglect their Spirit Arcana, the Conjurers have gotten a great deal of mileage out of even minor Numina and Influences

Conjurers often have multiple familiars, favoring incorporeal Spirits and Goetia but occasionally taking in Ghosts. Sleepers note that the Conjurer’s presence heralds strange happenings - surges of emotion, synesthesia, and playful whispers at the edge of perception. Among Awakened circles, they’re best known for their inexplicable ability to pull Supernal support out of their hats at a moment’s notice - granted, that support isn’t always relevant to the situation at hand.

Parentage: Acanthus; Free Council, Silver Ladder, Mysterium
Ruling Arcanum: Prime
Yantras: Stage magician costumes (+1); Stage magician props (+1); Sleight of hand (+1); Stage illusion (+1, +2 if the act has tangible risks)
Oblations: Performing maintenance on props and equipment for your mundane act, Teaching others sleight of hand, Performing a stage show

Prerequisites: Prime 2, Larceny 2, Broad Dedication, Professional Training (Stage Magician) 1
Initiation: Successfully inspire an audience using only mundane sleight of hand (I.E. achieve a Exceptional Success and give the Inspired condition)

Abracadabra!
(Prime ●) Initiation
The Magician is a virtuoso of sleight of hand, creating acts that defy all expectations.

(Spirit ●)
Even when not using magic, the Magician has a certain amount of prestidigitation at their disposal

Alakazam!
(Prime ●●) Fluent High Speech, Professional Training (Stage Magician) 2
The Magician traces out runes of occult significance with their finger, swirling nacreous light into magic circles that can only be seen beneath Mage Sight. These runes invariably form closed shapes, normally circles.

(Spirit ●●)
The Magician is a practiced hand at working the crowd, and knows how to spot a troublemaker a mile off. Not going to accept that volunteer from the audience, no sir!

Open Sesame!
(Prime ●●●) Larceny 3, Potent Resonance, Professional Training (Stage Magician) 3
The Magician packs away a scrap of their Nimbus into the space behind their magic circles, creating a comfortable little pocket of the Supernal. Can’t have the tiger starving before the show now can you?

(Spirit ●●●)
The Magician drapes a cloth over a volunteer, and a moment later the cloth drops to the ground. Another swirl of silk, and the volunteer is visible for all to see.

Nothing Up My Sleeves!
(Prime ●●●●) Larceny 4, Professional Training (Stage Magician) 4
No-one really believes the stage act is magic - everyone knows it’s just an illusion. Might as well capitalize on it, right?

(Spirit ●●●●)
It’s all smoke and mirrors… Except when it isn’t. The Magician beckons to a spirit, calling them to the stage.

Presto!
(Prime ●●●●●, Spirit ●●●●●) Larceny 5, Professional Training (Stage Magician) 5
The Magician’s magic circles have become exquisite works of art, finely tuned focusing lenses that refine their supernatural assistants.

Secrets and Storyhooks
● Not everyone has the same view of wonder and whimsy - one man's magical realm is another's horror show. The "Circus of the Disquieting" is a travelling show that has been popping up all across the world, their acts using more abrasive methods to try and wake Sleepers. They leave disarrayed Spirit Courts in their wake, often having created new Magrath, Hosts, and Ridden. Werewolf attacks see a sharp upswing after their passing, the Forsaken clearly agitated by the incursions. The circus has now come to the cabal's town - will they be attending the show?

●[WIP]

**Cauthon** · 08-19-2022, 08:26 AM

Shelved for now.

Debating about optional Attainments - I think this is powerful enough to not warrant them. If not... Spirit? Death? Novel for every Avatar?

Incarnations of Truth
A legacy of Summoners who invite Supernal Entities into their bodies.

Nicknames: Avatars, The Diademed, The Anointed, The Possessed (Derogatory)
Organization: Avatars come in small clades called “Pantheons”, and forge contracts with Supernal Entities that match the Pantheon’s theme. Said theme usually resonates with an existing religion or mythology, although some will create new deities up wholesale. These Pantheons most often become the Avatar’s cabal, with other Mages being insufficiently dedicated to the cause of the Supernal for their tastes.
Background: A distant cousin of the Choir of Hashmallim, the Incarnations of Truth were born of a Thyrsus who was fascinated by Spirit-Ridden and Hosts. In an attempt to cure these accursed individuals, she grew desperate enough to bargain with a Supernal Entity. Her master had been in the Choir, and taught her much of the arts of summoning. While the entity she contacted could not give her the solutions she sought, their experiments bore a kind of warped fruit - she and her apprentices learned to bind their Supernal mentors to themselves in much the same way they would a Familiar. As this bond grew in strength, they began to merge with these “watchers”, until it was all but impossible to distinguish one from the other.

Eventually, the direction of the Thyrsus changed. No more was she dedicated to studying the Spirits and overcoming their corruption. Now she sought to enact the will of the Supernal upon the Fallen World, bringing order to the Shadow because it was the will of the Totem within her. The Legacy that formed from this union is tenuous - it could be said to have more in common with Endymion’s Legacy than, say, the Choir.

Parentage: Thyrsus; Guardians of the Veil or Silver Ladder
Ruling Arcanum: Prime
Yantras:
Oblations: Speak in “tongues” by allowing your Watcher to control your vocalizations, Construct shrines or other environments that ape Supernal symbolism, Engage in acts that fulfill your Watcher’s Vice or Virtue.

Prerequisites: Prime 2, Supernal Watcher 2, Fluent High Speech
Initiation: Summon and strike a bargain with a Supernal Entity, in order to gain a Watcher.

Glimpses of the Future
(Prime ●) Initiation
The Avatar momentarily brings themself into alignment with the Supernal, catching glimpses of the tools and locations they can use to further their Watcher’s goals.

Holy Accord
(Prime ●●) Profligate Dedication, Second-Person High Speech
The Avatar and their Watcher finalize their bargain, striking an agreement of cooperation so binding that it molds the Mage’s very soul and the Watcher’s being.

Might Beyond Reckoning
(Prime ●●●) Supernal Watcher 4
The Watcher’s essence has begun to permeate the Avatar; armed with their Vessel, they are more than a mere mortal.

Secrets Beyond Comprehension
(Prime ●●●●)
More of the Watcher mingles with the Avatar’s soul, widening the conduit of their Gnosis in unusual ways.

Flesh Made Gods
(Prime ●●●●●) Potent Nimbus, Potent Soul
The Avatar has become the incarnation of more than just their Watcher - they are solid conduit to the Supernal.

Secrets and Storyhooks
● No-one’s sure what would happen if one Avatar were to try to use the Vessel of another, especially one of a different Path. No-one’s been that dumb. Yet.

● A Vessel-ridden has arrived on the cabal’s doorstep, demanding assistance in hunting down its wayward contractor. Apparently the Avatar had second thoughts, and tried to hide the Vessel away before immigrating to the cabal’s Consilium. How will the Cabal deal with this nominally holy entity?

**21C Hermit** · 08-19-2022, 09:40 AM

The last Legacy could end up warping its members into something resembling the Bound. Or Temple Guardians. And they feel a lot like a Seer Legacy…

**KaiserAfini** · 08-19-2022, 10:33 AM

Mechanically speaking, the Attainments beyond the first don't check out.

The Vessel is effectively possessed by the entity and has to be of high quality and anchors them to the Fallen World. So its a specialized targeted summoning, which means its the 3 dot Attainment rather than 2.

The Clash of Wills is based on the Helm of Naboo, correct ? But it mechanically doesn't make sense, since it is bypassing the process designed to frame possesion as something gradual. This is normally done by spells like Haunted Grimmoire (Signs of Sorcery page 86), which requires conjunctional Spirit 4 and active decision to use the supernatural properties. Prime alone can't account for it.

Might Beyond Reckoning requires Spirit or Death alongside conjunctional Mind or Life, all at 4 dots, to allow the mage to use the entity's attributes.

Secrets Beyond Comprehension doesn't seem possible. Arcana beyond 5 is archmage tier, and they get unlimited Reach on every spell a regular mage can cast, so I am not sure what that means mechanically for someone who didn't undergo the Threshold Seeking. In addition, pushing your Arcana beyond 5 is something only possible via the Autorictas Arcanum, which is a single use boon from the Aeons. It can allow you to push Arcana beyond 5 and thus use archmage tier magic, but that involves somehow figuring out the Quintessence needed (a herculean task) and negotiating with the Aeons themselves. It's significant enough to be chronicle defining and, depending on what you are doing, make the Exarchs dedicated their personal attention to murdering the mage horribly. A Legacy simply cannot give the same power as the Rank 8 embodiments of the Arcana themselves. Especially since Supernal Watcher is up to Rank 2 at best and can still comfortably manifest in the merit owner's Active Mage Sight.

Looking at rules for Demesne, page 243 of the core book states: "A Verge (or Demesne) offers a +2 die Yantra bonus to spells that utilize its Ruling Arcana. Furthermore, as long as a spell that qualifies for the bonus doesn’t leave the Verge, it doesn’t risk Paradox unless a Sleeper is present at some point during the spell’s duration." It's way too powerful for granting a mobile Demesne of [Gnosis/2] soul stones with no setup, upkeep and with a critical weakness that can be very small. Because otherwise the tactic is to have the mages in the cabal over Reach, then bring in some Sleepers and have the Paradox backlash subject them to a fate worst than death, whilst simultaneously creating an Abyssal incursion. I think an aswer would be to make up to [Prime] soul stones that, when employed in a Demesne, could create a Verge keyed to the theme of the Watcher. That way it takes a ritual to setup and the effect can be cancelled by destroying them, but the mage can just replace them.

Its never mentioned what happens to a Watcher once they die before the Vessel can be replaced. Are they consumed by the Abyss ? If so, this could be considered Left-Handed due to the sheer risk it creates for Supernal beings. If that is not the case, its worth mentioning they safely return to the Supernal on death.

**Cauthon** · 08-19-2022, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by 21C Hermit View Post

The last Legacy could end up warping its members into something resembling the Bound. Or Temple Guardians. And they feel a lot like a Seer Legacy…

Thats a good point, they are really close to being Seers. How's I miss that...

Originally posted by KaiserAfini View Post

Mechanically speaking, the Attainments beyond the first don't check out.

Yeah, I was afraid of that.

Originally posted by KaiserAfini View Post

The Vessel is effectively possessed by the entity and has to be of high quality and anchors them to the Fallen World. So its a specialized targeted summoning, which means its the 3 dot Attainment rather than 2.

The original plan was to put it as the Disciple Attainment, with Matter providing the optional Attainments. That way the Vessel could be made of Perfected materials. I just couldn't think of Matter attainments I was happy with.

Originally posted by KaiserAfini View Post

The Clash of Wills is based on the Helm of Naboo, correct ? But it mechanically doesn't make sense, since it is bypassing the process designed to frame possesion as something gradual. This is normally done by spells like Haunted Grimmoire (Signs of Sorcery page 86), which requires conjunctional Spirit 4 and active decision to use the supernatural properties. Prime alone can't account for it.

Yup, It started as a version of Naboo. Although you could make a decent argument for The One Ring. The gradual transformation was meant to be an -admittedly heavyhanded- implication that the process is steadily turning them into the supernal equivelant of a spirit-ridden, but I executed it poorly.

Originally posted by KaiserAfini View Post

Secrets Beyond Comprehension doesn't seem possible. Arcana beyond 5 is archmage tier, and they get unlimited Reach on every spell a regular mage can cast, so I am not sure what that means mechanically for someone who didn't undergo the Threshold Seeking. In addition, pushing your Arcana beyond 5 is something only possible via the Autorictas Arcanum, which is a single use boon from the Aeons. It can allow you to push Arcana beyond 5 and thus use archmage tier magic, but that involves somehow figuring out the Quintessence needed (a herculean task) and negotiating with the Aeons themselves. It's significant enough to be chronicle defining and, depending on what you are doing, make the Exarchs dedicated their personal attention to murdering the mage horribly. A Legacy simply cannot give the same power as the Rank 8 embodiments of the Arcana themselves. Especially since Supernal Watcher is up to Rank 2 at best and can still comfortably manifest in the merit owner's Active Mage Sight.

So my logic on that Attainment was that summoned Supernal Entities get unlimited Reach. Giving unlimited Reach as an Attainment was, as you point out, not an option. Giving some extra Reach in your Watcher's Arcana seemed like a compromise on it, albeit a tenuous one.

Originally posted by KaiserAfini View Post

Looking at rules for Demesne, page 243 of the core book states: "A Verge (or Demesne) offers a +2 die Yantra bonus to spells that utilize its Ruling Arcana. Furthermore, as long as a spell that qualifies for the bonus doesn’t leave the Verge, it doesn’t risk Paradox unless a Sleeper is present at some point during the spell’s duration." It's way too powerful for granting a mobile Demesne of [Gnosis/2] soul stones with no setup, upkeep and with a critical weakness that can be very small. Because otherwise the tactic is to have the mages in the cabal over Reach, then bring in some Sleepers and have the Paradox backlash subject them to a fate worst than death, whilst simultaneously creating an Abyssal incursion. I think an aswer would be to make up to [Prime] soul stones that, when employed in a Demesne, could create a Verge keyed to the theme of the Watcher. That way it takes a ritual to setup and the effect can be cancelled by destroying them, but the mage can just replace them.

While I agree that the Attainment I've got written up doesn't work, I'd have qualms about using soulstone creation as an Attainment. Losing dots of Gnosis would neutralize the Attainment, and as useful as a Verge can be, it doesn't seem worth it. Unless those [Prime] Soulstones are effectively "free", and don't impact your Gnosis.

Originally posted by KaiserAfini View Post

Its never mentioned what happens to a Watcher once they die before the Vessel can be replaced. Are they consumed by the Abyss ? If so, this could be considered Left-Handed due to the sheer risk it creates for Supernal beings. If that is not the case, its worth mentioning they safely return to the Supernal on death.

If the Vessel is destroyed, the Watcher is treated as having reached the end of their "safe summoning" period. They'd need to get to a Verge or Demense. Still a huge risk, so Left-Handed would be totally reasonable. If I keep this one, I'll adjust the wording so both points are specified.

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