TempleBuilder's New Legacy Thread

[KaiserAfini]

They sound very Silver Ladder to me. The Thrice Great have prestige from being excellent ritualists and scholars, they often deal with internal strife due to the inherent competitiveness between lodges, they claim to be mentored by an Oracle and senior members offer their council to the planetary courts of the Hsil. Meanwhile the Stewart of the Celestial Orrery have a prestigious history as prophets, which was marred when none predicted the formation of the Free Council, and they have been trying to recover their standing since.

The equivalent in the Mysterium are the Eyes of Ein Sof, who are much more focused on research and publishing their insights than on prestige. The Sphinxes are also prestigious, those who join are known for developing a type of intuitive insight, but they are extremely low key.

[Cauthon]

Sounds like they started as Mysterium then, but have evolved over time. Possibly got a large influx of Ladder over time, and now it's a split-Parent Legacy like the 11Q

[TempleBuilder]

I read the hype-game as a Mysterium thing if their hype is based around knowing things, and the Silver Ladder if it's about the prestige of initiating. Are they coasting on the eldritch lore they can dredge up, or are they putting on a facade of wise council?

Started as the former, has drifted pretty far to the later. Quite a few members only joined because the legacy well known to highly selective of talent, and prestigious. That’s not say the legacy is just a social culb. There is real beauty and enlightenment in the Mysteries they pursue, but at this point the main body of the legacy as whole has been a bit bogged down in terrestrial matters. They legacy does have a noted tendency for Masters to pop into a pocket dimension, or explore the greater cosmos, or generally just be unreachable, and leaving apprentices in their stead with mixed result. Generally speaking, the legacy tend to chill out more the further into it’s Mysteries you go.

(I’m going this way with the social aspect, mainly because the stuff it’s based on has this problem to a fair degree. Think of of it as a prestigious collage. People go there to learn sure, but plenty go because it’s a prestigious collage, just to put on their resume. And the Legacy is fine with that.)

If you've ever read The Wheel of Time, then them acting like Aes Sedai (except the Brown Ajah) puts them squarly in the Silver Ladder camp.

Sadly, not something I’ve read. I’ll look it up.

Edit: I’m also not above the younger Gravity Mages believing the world revolves around them.

[Cauthon]

I read the hype-game as a Mysterium thing if their hype is based around knowing things, and the Silver Ladder if it's about the prestige of initiating. Are they coasting on the eldritch lore they can dredge up, or are they putting on a facade of wise council?

If you've ever read The Wheel of Time, then them acting like Aes Sedai (except the Brown Ajah) puts them squarly in the Silver Ladder camp.

[TempleBuilder]

So, currently I’m basing the legacy on the Musica universalis, the Quadrivium, and gravity waves, because they all actually fit super well conceptually (somehow). Part of how I’m incorporating that is rather steep and specific stats and skill requirements, I thought it would be good to work it into the Yantras as well. Currently I’m debating the use musical instruments, since I believe the actual teaching wasn’t so much about actual musical practice but music theory, and I’m uncertain on how to translate that into a yantra. I imagine them more putting together a particular refrain from the universal melody to power something more than actually playing music. Would it be better to instead put in “symbols of gravity” as a yantra category? (That’s the best simple description that incorporates all of your examples, I think.)

My current WIP categories of yantras are, Geometry (Star Charts), music? (Somehow incorporating the music of the spheres?), and Math (Orbital Dynamics). I feel like I need a fourth, so I think this works. I don’t know, thoughts?

Secondly, if the legacy advertises itself as *the* high end prestigious legacy, with many well renowned Mages in the past, hypothetically meaning any recruit should earn a great deal of respect just by joining, would that be more leaning towards the Silver Ladder or the Mysterium? I’m think the legacy acted much like the high end collages do, living off of their reputation of having the best of the best as members.

Edit: if it’s not clear, I think those are quite lovely yantras.

Since I suspended my post for too many edits (I feel like that’s very easy thing to trip), and this is my thread, I’m just going to quote myself to see if it works.

Sorry Ian, or other mods, for making you work so hard.

[TempleBuilder]

A black pearl could act as a yantra, symbolizing holding the power of a black hole in your hands, the strongest gravity well there is.

An obsidian mirror is another, reflect your target in the dark mirror to symbolize them inside the black hole.

Blue crystal for pulling something towards you (symbolizing the blue shift), a red one for moving things away (representing a red shift)

A weight disk for a portable symbol of increased gravity and a feather for decreased.

A magnet (like a fridge magnet) or suction cups to symbolize shifting gravity around and being able to walk on walls.

So, currently I’m basing the legacy on the Musica universalis, the Quadrivium, and gravity waves, because they all actually fit super well conceptually (somehow). Part of how I’m incorporating that is rather steep and specific stats and skill requirements, I thought it would be good to work it into the Yantras as well. Currently I’m debating the use musical instruments, since I believe the actual teaching wasn’t so much about actual musical practice but music theory, and I’m uncertain on how to translate that into a yantra. I imagine them more putting together a particular refrain from the universal melody to power something more than actually playing music. Would it be better to instead put in “symbols of gravity” as a yantra category? (That’s the best simple description that incorporates all of your examples, I think.)

My current WIP categories of yantras are, Geometry (Star Charts), music? (Somehow incorporating the music of the spheres?), and Math (Orbital Dynamics). I feel like I need a fourth, so I think this works. I don’t know, thoughts?

Secondly, if the legacy advertises itself as *the* high end prestigious legacy, with many well renowned Mages in the past, hypothetically meaning any recruit should earn a great deal of respect just by joining, would that be more leaning towards the Silver Ladder or the Mysterium? I’m think the legacy acted much like the high end collages do, living off of their reputation of having the best of the best as members.

Edit: if it’s not clear, I think those are quite lovely yantras.

[KaiserAfini]

A black pearl could act as a yantra, symbolizing holding the power of a black hole in your hands, the strongest gravity well there is.

An obsidian mirror is another, reflect your target in the dark mirror to symbolize them inside the black hole.

Blue crystal for pulling something towards you (symbolizing the blue shift), a red one for moving things away (representing a red shift)

A weight disk for a portable symbol of increased gravity and a feather for decreased.

A magnet (like a fridge magnet) or suction cups to symbolize shifting gravity around and being able to walk on walls.

[Nicolas Milioni]

Oh hey! That's on the right track. Thanks.

happy to help

[TempleBuilder]

maybe Planispherium?

Oh hey! That's on the right track. Thanks.

[Nicolas Milioni]

So I’m currently working on Yantras for the gravity mages, which is kinda cool since I’m learning all sorts of weird connections between things, and I’m trying to tie in several concepts I’m not sure the proper way to phrase. For example, the historical stuff I’m pulling inspiration from includes geometry as a major area of focus, and I want to include a yantra that are an art style that uses geometric patterns describing and highlighting orbital patterns. The closest thing related concepts I’ve found is sacred geometry, which is kinda it’s own thing. I’m going to include some pictures as reference. If anyone know a name for the style, that would be a massive help.

maybe Planispherium?

[TempleBuilder]

So I’m currently working on Yantras for the gravity mages, which is kinda cool since I’m learning all sorts of weird connections between things, and I’m trying to tie in several concepts I’m not sure the proper way to phrase. For example, the historical stuff I’m pulling inspiration from includes geometry as a major area of focus, and I want to include a yantra that are an art style that uses geometric patterns describing and highlighting orbital patterns. The closest thing related concepts I’ve found is sacred geometry, which is kinda it’s own thing. I’m going to include some pictures as reference. If anyone knows the style's name, that would be a massive help.

Links to others

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/688698968035673979/

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/967640669937985393/

[TempleBuilder]

I think the time needed to build the sympathetic connections might make the Attainments less practical to activate. But then again, the faster alternative is reliant on emotional manipulation, so its harder to put a positive spin on it.

I mean this is for a horror game line, emotional manipulation to forge bonds is an aspect of the legacy, however maligned. The power of friendship angle is just how I conceive of it, since most pet owners I’ve met love their pets, perhaps more than other humans, and I find the concept both realistic and hilarious in something like Mage.

Since you mentioned its an Arrow Legacy and the previous ideas would work well on a left handed version, then would it be correct to say that it focuses on the broader sense of companions rather than only ranger companions? I speculate their goal is to draw people and animals together into a motivated team, then empower them to greater heights. I think the Roses of Eden conversion does something similar with Life.

Yes, I don’t think the legacy see much difference between animals and people, as long as the can form bonds. The inspiration for this legacy had four hamsters as his companions, but they were companions in the true sense of the word. I also kinda remember a anime with a person as a familiar, and the concepts kinda merged. I really only see a couple people at most as being viable for the enhanced teamwork and familiar benefits without severe magical and emotional manipulation. I’ll checkout the Roses of Eden, I remember them building communities as part of their thing, so that’s a good call.

[KaiserAfini]

I think the time needed to build the sympathetic connections might make the Attainments less practical to activate. But then again, the faster alternative is reliant on emotional manipulation, so its harder to put a positive spin on it.

Since you mentioned its an Arrow Legacy and the previous ideas would work well on a left handed version, then would it be correct to say that it focuses on the broader sense of companions rather than only ranger companions? I speculate their goal is to draw people and animals together into a motivated team, then empower them to greater heights. I think the Roses of Eden conversion does something similar with Life.

[TempleBuilder]

That sounds pretty interesting, a focus on manipulating the sympathetic links of Space, creating a web of influence for the mage. I could see the Reach version of Speak with Beasts being used as a low level one, since while most animals are not terribly intelligent, having all the birds or rats in an area working for you gives a method of information gathering that is not easily traceable (the Nimbus is only on the mage themselves).

That is definitely a good early attainment idea. I don’t know if it’s a good direction yet, but I was think of requiring a certain level of sympathetic connection being required before one could use an attainment. For this one, I would go with something like feeding the birds in park lets you talk to them, aka the formation of a weak sympathetic connection. I don’t know if that would work.

Borrow Threads could be employed to usurp useful contacts and Uncanny Organizer could also be used to create a task force for whatever the mage is focusing on. Control Instincts could be a Life capstone, working at sympathetic range and long duration even on supernatural beings, allowing them to reinforce reactions that favor the mage. The optional capstones could create a plague that infects someone with a permanent sympathetic connection, making them a True Friend of the mage, allowing them to passively grow more influential. This would register as a very Seer-like approach to take, or at least close enough to make the Orders keep an eye on such a Legacy.

Sounds like a left handed version of the legacy in my head, that unfortunately uses much the same principles. Uncanny Organizer is a gem though. The version of the legacy in my head prefers to let the sympathetic connections grow naturally, and then build off of them, but really, there is no reason why you couldn’t force and steal connections.

As a side note, I think this might be the first legacy I’ve thought of that I think resonates strongly with the Arrow.

[KaiserAfini]

I probably have too many seed ideas at this point, but I came up with more. I was thinking about ranger companions, and non ephemeral entities familiars, and was wondering if there was room for a legacy based around sympathetic bonds, and teamwork that could be called magical. Would be a Mastigos legacy focused on Life and Space. Has everyone from animal tamers to nobles and their servants to lovers, as all that matters is that both side share a mutually strong bond.

That sounds pretty interesting, a focus on manipulating the sympathetic links of Space, creating a web of influence for the mage. I could see the Reach version of Speak with Beasts being used as a low level one, since while most animals are not terribly intelligent, having all the birds or rats in an area working for you gives a method of information gathering that is not easily traceable (the Nimbus is only on the mage themselves).

Borrow Threads could be employed to usurp useful contacts and Uncanny Organizer could also be used to create a task force for whatever the mage is focusing on. Control Instincts could be a Life capstone, working at sympathetic range and long duration even on supernatural beings, allowing them to reinforce reactions that favor the mage. The optional capstones could create a plague that infects someone with a permanent sympathetic connection, making them a True Friend of the mage, allowing them to passively grow more influential. This would register as a very Seer-like approach to take, or at least close enough to make the Orders keep an eye on such a Legacy.