Spirit Influnce above spirit rank

[Salarion]

We're playing 1st ed,

is there any way to increase a spirits influence level above it's rank.

Could in any way spirit rank 2 have influence 3 (control)


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[Seraph Kitty]

As far as I recall, First Edition also said that influence rating was capped by Rank … however there were a lot of stat blocks inconsistent with this (and ghosts didn’t even have Rank).

In general, no. But things can also be fudged for story reasons, at the Storyteller’s discretion. If I were to raise an influence for higher, I would use Ban of Power - essentially just adding a Ban/Bane appropriate to whatever reason the stat was raised.

Is there a reason you don’t want to just use a Rank 3 spirit though?

[Salarion]

Is there a reason you don’t want to just use a Rank 3 spirit though?

I'm considering getting a guardian spirit for our vtr 1st ed game. However we agreed that it would be a rank 2 spirit. My top consideration is a blood influence spirit and I like the concept of blood control with a blood sorcerer but a rank 3 spirit might be a bit too much considering it's other stats.

I also noticed this in stat blocks that why I thought it might be possible in some way somewhere.

I took ban of power for an extra numina. I could try and run it by the ST and see how it goes.

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[21C Hermit]

As far as I recall, First Edition also said that influence rating was capped by Rank … however there were a lot of stat blocks inconsistent with this (and ghosts didn’t even have Rank).

In general, no. But things can also be fudged for story reasons, at the Storyteller’s discretion. If I were to raise an influence for higher, I would use Ban of Power - essentially just adding a Ban/Bane appropriate to whatever reason the stat was raised.

Is there a reason you don’t want to just use a Rank 3 spirit though?

Side question - could you tell me where was Ban of Power listed? I can’t recall exactly where…

[Satchel]

Side question - could you tell me where was Ban of Power listed? I can’t recall exactly where…

It might be listed in other places as well, but I know it's listed in Book of Spirits on page 138.

[21C Hermit]

It might be listed in other places as well, but I know it's listed in Book of Spirits on page 138.

Ah. Makes sense