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[Cauthon]

I think co-locate can use runes like this, arguably with runes on both ends, but I'm not sure.

This is because co-locate is the only one of those spells which has a space as the subject. Teleport rewrites the subject's spatial co-ordinates, so you would need to inscribe the runes on whoever or whatever you were teleporting (for each subject).

I'd argue that the X Summons spells would still work for a runic circle as a Rune yantra - you're calling the entities to the spot marked out by the runes, and thematically breaking the circle to disrupt control over the summoned entity is very on-theme. Teleport in my mind would be relocating one target to the targeted space marked out by the rune circle, but it would be perfectly reasonable to require the teleporting target to have a separate rune-mark to justify the +2 Yantra.

Or use them as a +1 environmental bonus, (and not have all the downsides of Runes).

Yeah, Environmental yantras is the easiest option.

Notable, i have seen discussion of leveraging the 'spell end of runes are broken' downside as an advantage - where you cast an unsafely relinquish the spell, followed by breaking the runes if something goes wrong.

Oh, certainly. It's like having the Conditional Duration Utility Attainment - how you use it depends entirely on your intent. The draw to more dice/Duration vs easier to end is entirely dependent on what the spell is meant to achieve.

[Cauthon]

An Imbued or Enhanced item shows up under Supernal Vision or AMS, likely covered in ephemeral sigils or something else appropriate. How about a Grimoire? The maintained version is obviously going to show up like an Enhancement, and ping PMS, but what about the Lasting application? Relevant passages of a physical book glowing with Supernal light, paintings overlaid with sacred geometry, stuff like that? Or is is unnoticable unless you already know it's there?
Rephrased - Does a Lasting Grimoire show up under AMS, and does it ping PMS? I assume "No" for the latter.

[orathaic]

I would assume it doesn't show up under AMS, i think the closer comparison is high speech runes. But a grimoire usually has the scribe grimoire spell cast on it creating lasting effects. But lasting effects don't trigger mage sight.

Matter might be the best chance to notice something odd, as a grimoire's availability/value might be higher than otherwise expected.

That said, yes, you can use Focused Mage Sight to examine a grimoire.

[KaiserAfini]

An Imbued or Enhanced item shows up under Supernal Vision or AMS, likely covered in ephemeral sigils or something else appropriate. How about a Grimoire? The maintained version is obviously going to show up like an Enhancement, and ping PMS, but what about the Lasting application? Relevant passages of a physical book glowing with Supernal light, paintings overlaid with sacred geometry, stuff like that? Or is is unnoticable unless you already know it's there?
Rephrased - Does a Lasting Grimoire show up under AMS, and does it ping PMS? I assume "No" for the latter.

It wouldn't ping PMS because it only pings when the supernatural effect activates. But it would ping AMS, because all phenomena under its purview become highlighted (page 90 of the core book), ones with more "density" are likely supernatural.

So Prime sight would pick up on Grimoires because they are something with Supernal significance, the same way Fate sight would highlight a changeling or phrases with significance (like someone "who looks like an angel" having some importance in a metaphysical sense). Why it registers would require the mage to figure it out.

[TempleBuilder]

Building off this question, would you say a Rote could be seen by Active Mage Sight Arcana outside of Prime, if it was the same Arcana as the Rote?

[Cauthon]

Building off this question, would you say a Rote could be seen by Active Mage Sight Arcana outside of Prime, if it was the same Arcana as the Rote?

A bit of a stretch, but I'd allow it.

[Satchel]

Building off this question, would you say a Rote could be seen by Active Mage Sight Arcana outside of Prime, if it was the same Arcana as the Rote?

As in the type of spell?

All Awakened spells show up to all forms of Active Mage Sight as they're being cast, the same as/because of the universal visibility of a mage's Immediate Nimbus flaring.

[TempleBuilder]

As in the type of spell?

All Awakened spells show up to all forms of Active Mage Sight as they're being cast, the same as/because of the universal visibility of a mage's Immediate Nimbus flaring.

Uh, no. Sorry. It's a Rote that's encoded as part of a Lasting Grimoire. It's obvious to me Prime should be able to do it, but I think it might be interesting if others could do so with conditions.

[orathaic]

Inspired by the below forum question.

If you cast an AoE spell with an instantaneous effect (like healing or damage) as a long duration spell, does this then get the best of both worlds?

You heal everyone who stands in the room every 3 hours? (Possibly leaving a long term healing spa in place with 'mystical powers' or a defensive system which deals 1 bashing as mental damage every 10 minutes... To discourage trespassers without immediately killing them ..)

Are there any other uses for this AoE ritual duration effect?

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/mage-the-awakening-2nd-edition-questions.795923/page-12#post-20735902

[Cauthon]

Not sure if it works like that... but in any case, I have to image an effect like that would get Dissonanced very quickly.

[orathaic]

Not sure if it works like that... but in any case, I have to image an effect like that would get Dissonanced very quickly.

I am imagining some of this is a temple in a The Time Before with security measures which have survived any dissonance for centuries ..

But also, getting a headache and bring able to blame it on "oh that room is too noisey/bright" might not be obviously magical.

Or you are trying to dissuade ppl from exploring your natural verge, where spells are not subject to dissonance.

But the principle question is how of instantaneous AoE spells work over long durations. You are assuming i am incorrect?

[Cauthon]

Less that you're incorrect, and more that I don't necessarily agree with the conclusion. AoE is a little tricky to me - in this case, is it affecting everything that "was in the area when the spell was cast", or "is in the area at each [Ritual Interval]"? I certainly agree that it keeps reactivating, I'm just not certain of what the targets would be.

[21C Hermit]

Inspired by the below forum question.

If you cast an AoE spell with an instantaneous effect (like healing or damage) as a long duration spell, does this then get the best of both worlds?

You heal everyone who stands in the room every 3 hours? (Possibly leaving a long term healing spa in place with 'mystical powers' or a defensive system which deals 1 bashing as mental damage every 10 minutes... To discourage trespassers without immediately killing them ..)

Are there any other uses for this AoE ritual duration effect?

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?thre...#post-20735902

I assume that casting spells on an Area (as opposed to just many Subjects) does create a magical area. Like that teleportation room I imagined some days earlier. It’s more simple, and more fun that way.

[Tessie]

Any spell with an instantaneous effect reapplies that effect every ritual interval of the mage who cast it.

An AoE spell affects all valid targets within the area while they are in that area. Targets leaving the area stops being subjects to the spell, and new targets entering the area becomes subjects to the spell. (As Dave explains two posts below the one linked to on rpg.net)

[orathaic]

I assume that casting spells on an Area (as opposed to just many Subjects) does create a magical area. Like that teleportation room I imagined some days earlier. It’s more simple, and more fun that way.

I'm not sure a teleportation room which triggers every 10 minutes or every 3 hours is at all useful, contrasted with a portal/co-location. But i will think about whether it has any advantages...

Yeeting potential enemies out of the Area is one.

Any spell with an instantaneous effect reapplies that effect every ritual interval of the mage who cast it.

An AoE spell affects all valid targets within the area while they are in that area. Targets leaving the area stops being subjects to the spell, and new targets entering the area becomes subjects to the spell. (As Dave explains two posts below the one linked to on rpg.net)

I was directly inspired by Dave's answer to ask this precise question (which wasn't directly addressed).