Can Awakened Be Embraced?

[Wiwuno]

I know the rules as written is no what i'm asking more is if a kindred tries to embrace one of the Awakened what happens? What is it about a mage that stops the embrace? I know why for all the other lines but Mages are always portrayed as just Humans who know the right secrets.

[Ashenrogue]

They die. Simply put, their souls (well, their Gnosis to be more specific) are completely incompatible with the Embrace. It can't be replaced/turned into/coexist beside/whatever a Vampires Beast.

While mages might seem perfectly human, the nature of their soul has changed considerably due to their Awakening.

[Zombiecakes]

They die. Simply put, their souls (well, their Gnosis to be more specific) are completely incompatible with the Embrace. It can't be replaced/turned into/coexist beside/whatever a Vampires Beast.

While mages might seem perfectly human, the nature of their soul has changed considerably due to their Awakening.

Basically, this. We're the most human-looking of all monsters.

[Charlaquin]

I know the rules as written is no what i'm asking more is if a kindred tries to embrace one of the Awakened what happens? What is it about a mage that stops the embrace? I know why for all the other lines but Mages are always portrayed as just Humans who know the right secrets.

Mages are not just humans who know the right secrets. If that were the case, anyone could become a Mage simply by being taught. A Mage'a soul is fundamentally altered by Awakening - it no longer contains a shard of Abyss, it is no longer harmed by magic and it no longer causes Paradox or Dissonance. And most significantly, it is connected to the Supernal via a Watchtower, which is what allows the Mage to actually do magic. Why do these changes to the soul make a Mage unable to be Embraced? That's a Mystery.

[Solana]

There is a certain class of spirits that can bring a dead person back to life, provided they haven't been dead too long and you still have the body. I believe it also specifically mentioned that werewolves stop being werewolves, and mages stop being mages, though.

I imagine if you went this route, a werewolf could theoretically be brought back as a wolf-blooded and then eventually awaken. They'd almost certainly awaken to the Primal Wilds, though? As for vampires - I guess it depends on how quickly they decay, I've forgotten how it works in 2E Requiem.

[Caladriu]

If I remember correctly, the Tremere Legacy claim that this was done to them. But Left-Hand Path expanded on their background a lot and may have changed that.

[Stupid Loserman]

The Awakened soul has developed a direct channel into the energies of the Supernal World. Even a narrow channel of this power has to be moderated by the shape of Wisdom to keep the mage from burning out in some way or another. It's not too hard to imagine that might somehow interfere with the Embrace of the Blood under normal circumstances.

Of course, if you dig back into the history of the Tremere liches, you may recall that few conclusions are absolute in the Chronicles of Darkness...

[Dave Brookshaw]

Vampires can't embrace mages, just like any other supernatural being.

Strix, on enother hand, can use Synthesis if they're possessing a mage; it's the CofD's route to making strange hybrid vampire-monsters. And the creature who turned the Tremere into vampires may not have been a member of one of the five Clans...

[Gullinbursti]

The timid are true vampires? (I've read left hand legacies, but my mind is a sieve and I don't remember the Timori being directly vampires now).

[Dave Brookshaw]

No, but they used to be at ine point in their history.

[Dave Brookshaw]

And you mean Tremere. Timori ("the fearful"; it means "we're scared if them" not "they're scared of everything") are an entirely seperate oup of Reaper-Liches, and one of the iconic Banisher Legacies.

[Gullinbursti]

Yep, just rereading the above I slapped my head for mixing them up.

[schizoPOP]

Wait, so are Timoris in 2nd Ed actually full-on reapers? In first ed it was possible for one to survive their predations with everything but their magical bits intact. (though they were kind of logistical nightmares run).

[Mrmdubois]

Timori were in the Banisher book, they harvest Gnosis, which is basically the magical part of the soul of a Mage.

Tremere harvest the structural integrity part of the soul that keeps identity and motivation from collapsing in on itself and they can take that from anyone.

Both legacies are a kind of Reaper, but the Tremere are the more traditional kind. Neither has gotten the full 2e treatment yet.

Either process can be survived, though eventually if the Timori harvest enough Gnosis from a Mage I believe it does kill them. I can't remember exactly though.

[schizoPOP]

The effects of the Timori don't really map to the soul-loss conditions at all, and mortals aren't even part of the equation.

If you lose all your gnosis you become a sleeper with only vague notions of their former life.