The Book of Lasting Death stretch goal

[Tessie]

Ok thank you! I promise this will be the only one

In the section describing the timeless condition (to be more specific, the Timeless condition of Mummies, NOT the rules of storytelling Timelessness) it says mummies in a Meret may have differing memories between the interim of 1936 and 2019. One may remember having met in the 12th century during the interim, while another has no memory of that at all. Another remembers meeting at the dying years of the 21st century, while another has had so many Descents that the year 1936 is a distant memory. Toy understanding, Merets always awaken when another member does, and the section does say they remember meeting at those times none of the others do. Is this just the case of Memory being so wonky with Mummies? This is in page 79 by the way

Mummies simply wake up at different times that doesn't have to follow a chronological order. As you mentioned yourself, one of the mummies woke up in 1936, then in the 12th Century, and then in 2019. Some mummies within a meret can't remember previous shared Descents with the other mummies because those Descents have not yet happened for those mummies. It has nothing to do with Memory, though variable Memory certainly makes things even more confusing to straighten out for the Arisen.

[Primordial newcomer]

Mummies simply wake up at different times that doesn't have to follow a chronological order. As you mentioned yourself, one of the mummies woke up in 1936, then in the 12th Century, and then in 2019. Some mummies within a meret can't remember previous shared Descents with the other mummies because those Descents have not yet happened for those mummies. It has nothing to do with Memory, though variable Memory certainly makes things even more confusing to straighten out for the Arisen.

So basically, though that mummy (the one with his descent in the 12th century) was the only one actually going through that Descent. The other ones may have been with the mummy in the 12th century, but from, that actual, conscious Descent never actually happened for them.

[Tessie]

So basically, though that mummy (the one with his descent in the 12th century) was the only one actually going through that Descent.

Between Descents, the Arisen are wholly disconnected from their bodies and the world. They're basically outside of time, and their Descents are them returning back to the world and the timeline. They just don't necessarily do so in chronological order because

The other ones may have been with the mummy in the 12th century, but from, that actual, conscious Descent never actually happened for them.

If the other mummies of the meret were with him in the 12th century, then they will at some point have their Descents then as well. It just might be that the other mummies present at 2019 just haven't experienced that Descent just yet.
(Except, theoretically speaking, if that particular timeline is altered so that Descent never happened, but the one mummy who already had that Descent will not have his own personal history altered just because it never happened.)

[Primordial newcomer]

Between Descents, the Arisen are wholly disconnected from their bodies and the world. They're basically outside of time, and their Descents are them returning back to the world and the timeline. They just don't necessarily do so in chronological order because



If the other mummies of the meret were with him in the 12th century, then they will at some point have their Descents then as well. It just might be that the other mummies present at 2019 just haven't experienced that Descent just yet.
(Except, theoretically speaking, if that particular timeline is altered so that Descent never happened, but the one mummy who already had that Descent will not have his own personal history altered just because it never happened.)

But I thought a Meret experiences the Descent together? When those other mummies finally go through the Descent their fellow did, will they probably have it play out fairly different from them? Or is it purely just the fact that those mummies were simply in Duat when that happened, and once they actually experience that Descent, they will experience the same things their friend (the mummy that actually went through the Descent before them) claims to remember them doing?

[Tessie]

But I thought a Meret experiences the Descent together? When those other mummies finally go through the Descent their fellow did, will they probably have it play out fairly different from them? Or is it purely just the fact that those mummies were simply in Duat when that happened, and once they actually experience that Descent, they will experience the same things their friend (the mummy that actually went through the Descent before them) claims to remember them doing?

They will all go through the same Descents. They just won't necessarily do it in the same order.

A new example: A meret of three mummies goes through three Descents together during 1932, 1991 and 2044.
Mummy A experiences the Descents in chronological order: 1932->1991->2044
Mummy B experiences the Descents in this order: 1932->2044->1991
Mummy C experiences the Descents in reverse chronological order: 2044->1991->1932

During the Descent of 1932, C has already experienced two out of three Descents and knows the entire history of the meret, and is the one who convinces A and B to join up in the first place.
During the Descent of 1991, everyone already knows each other and the cooperation flows relatively smoothly.
During the Descent of 2044, C is the only one who has never met any of the others before despite C being the one who formed the meret; it just hasn't happened to C yet.

All three Descents are experienced together by the whole meret, but each individual experiences them in their own order. That's the entire point of the section of text you talked about on page 79.

[Primordial newcomer]

They will all go through the same Descents. They just won't necessarily do it in the same order.

A new example: A meret of three mummies goes through three Descents together during 1932, 1991 and 2044.
Mummy A experiences the Descents in chronological order: 1932->1991->2044
Mummy B experiences the Descents in this order: 1932->2044->1991
Mummy C experiences the Descents in reverse chronological order: 2044->1991->1932

During the Descent of 1932, C has already experienced two out of three Descents and knows the entire history of the meret, and is the one who convinces A and B to join up in the first place.
During the Descent of 1991, everyone already knows each other and the cooperation flows relatively smoothly.
During the Descent of 2044, C is the only one who has never met any of the others before despite C being the one who formed the meret; it just hasn't happened to C yet.

All three Descents are experienced together by the whole meret, but each individual experiences them in their own order. That's the entire point of the section of text you talked about on page 79.

Ohhh ok I get it now. I'm very sorry this off topic question lasted so long. Seriously thank you for taking the time to answer. I really appreciate it!

[Excess]

Yes, it was achieved, and those things are in the book. I wrote some of the new Utterances for it.

Please, I was so disappointed that not all the stretch goals considering that book came to pass. Is there a way to achieve them anyway, something we could do in the mean time? A mini-kickstarter perhaps? Player guides are nice.

[FallenEco]

Please, I was so disappointed that not all the stretch goals considering that book came to pass. Is there a way to achieve them anyway, something we could do in the mean time? A mini-kickstarter perhaps? Player guides are nice.

Not how it works and that sort of mentality (expressed rudely, thus coming off entitled) was cited as a reason why Onyx Path now restricts information on stretch goals until we're up to them.
Not saying anything about you, but a lot people were salty about not getting the Book of Going Westward back in first edition.

That said, the Storyteller's Vault is an option, if we want to write it ourselves.

[Primordial newcomer]

Not how it works and that sort of mentality (expressed rudely, thus coming off entitled) was cited as a reason why Onyx Path now restricts information on stretch goals until we're up to them.
Not saying anything about you, but a lot people were salty about not getting the Book of Going Westward back in first edition.

That said, the Storyteller's Vault is an option, if we want to write it ourselves.

Praise the storyteller vault! But seriously, I'm just happy with what we got, it honestly did better than I thought considering how niche Mummy is

[Acrozatarim]

I suspect people will be pretty happy with what's ended up in the Book of Lasting Death - just wish I could tell you all about it already, but sadly we all need to wait a bit longer

[FallenEco]

It was worth the Consulting Dev tier, I can say that much.
Some of my expectations had to be adjusted for size constraints but we do have plenty of awesomeness.

It also suggested certain changes to the corebook, so there were things that appeared incomplete based on the KS manuscript. I am really excited to see the updated rules.

[Primordial newcomer]

It was worth the Consulting Dev tier, I can say that much.
Some of my expectations had to be adjusted for size constraints but we do have plenty of awesomeness.

It also suggested certain changes to the corebook, so there were things that appeared incomplete based on the KS manuscript. I am really excited to see the updated rules.

Regarding changes to the corebook, will it be corrected that the Arisen refer to other immortals as the "endless"? I noticed in their section that it called them the Timeless instead

[FallenEco]

I think I've pushed the NDA as far as I can.
Though to be fair, terminology was not the first change that came to mind.

[Primordial newcomer]

I think I've pushed the NDA as far as I can.
Though to be fair, terminology was not the first change that came to mind.

Ahh ok thank you. I'm REALLY sorry if I got you in a little trouble. I'm all outta questions now

[LordHeru]

They will all go through the same Descents. They just won't necessarily do it in the same order.

A new example: A meret of three mummies goes through three Descents together during 1932, 1991 and 2044.
Mummy A experiences the Descents in chronological order: 1932->1991->2044
Mummy B experiences the Descents in this order: 1932->2044->1991
Mummy C experiences the Descents in reverse chronological order: 2044->1991->1932

During the Descent of 1932, C has already experienced two out of three Descents and knows the entire history of the meret, and is the one who convinces A and B to join up in the first place.
During the Descent of 1991, everyone already knows each other and the cooperation flows relatively smoothly.
During the Descent of 2044, C is the only one who has never met any of the others before despite C being the one who formed the meret; it just hasn't happened to C yet.

All three Descents are experienced together by the whole meret, but each individual experiences them in their own order. That's the entire point of the section of text you talked about on page 79.

Wait. So really? I didn't realize that one could have player mummies also be out of since with each other. (Like how the Doctor and River Song seem to be at opposite ends of their timelines.) This idea is really really brilliant to me.

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As a note I am really looking forward to seeing the 'new' or I guess I should say updated version of the book based on feedback and goals because I think its going to be brilliant. That and having access to a table of contents and such to find stuff easier.