Advise on gifts

[Prince of the Night]

Would like some advice on good gifts to give in various situations

am STing my first Salon, what would a good gift to a Promising Invictus fledgling be?

[nofather]

Who is the gift giver, and what is known of the fledgling?

[Prince of the Night]

Well Thinking on several potential gift givers,

Thinking on a Daeva Primogen currently

Whats known about the fledgling

She was a bit young for the embrace, but not quite farcically so. at 15

She has a very sharp native intelligence, and was actualy taking college classes at her age prior to the embrace. a few months ago.

Her Sire ranking Ventrue invictus (now theres a rare combination Lol!) Is relatively fond of her.

Shes minding her manners since her initial presentation, but this is the first chance to really interact with her..

[nofather]

If you want to be practical more than anything else, a fake ID would probably be very useful, helping her get into clubs to feed without having to rely on dominate.

[Prince of the Night]

ideas on symbolism in what a gift can mean?

one idea I have is that a chess set can mean that a contest of wits is about to begin.

[CatDoom]

Non-material things can make good gifts too. Inviting the fledgeling to hunt at a club or other location that's otherwise considered part of the Elder's territory could be a powerful show of favor, while also giving the Elder an opportunity to meet the fledgeling again, privately, in an environment the Elder controls. An influential vampire with a particular interest in the fledgeling might even cede her a modest feeding ground, though the player should probably buy it with experience if they're interested in the character keeping it for the long term.

[nofather]

Something that once belonged to a promising member of the Invictus' past in that area might be a nice sort of back-handed compliment and warning. A nice pair of glasses that may help to ostensibly make her look older but belonged to a young firebrand who had to be put out to the sun. A journal from a wisened and educated vampire who went mad at his inability to stay in touch with the academic life as much as he wanted. Things like that are more about the story, but can also have plot hooks attached.

Yeah a chessboard could mean entering a competition, or a need to sharpen mental skills and think ahead, or an unspoken way to say they can invite the gift giver over, providing they're a chess player, or just to talk, maybe as a mentor. There's a lot of ways to handle symbolic gifts.

[Prince of the Night]

Hmmmn

On the finer points of a gift?

On a revolver, Thinking, what kind of handle, trigger, etc it should have... Thinking about a Fancy gold or silver plated revolver, but not sure what that could signify.

or a jeweled dagger.

or different symbolism to a ruby ring, from an emeral tiara.

[Prince of the Night]

thought id go ahead and necro this thread, as the question on gifts as a form of subtle communication is important, and difficult.

oh was just thinking

Hmmmn you think 23 pieces of Silver a good snub, at someone who you see as perfidious, or think it will just be "Money, gee thanks"

noticed a lot of things available on Amazon...

[Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll]

Really depends on the person. A devout and educated Christian, yeah. 99% of the world, no. Unless they're really rich and are only seeing the value and going "but this is like nothing?" unless the silver is in and of itself remarkable.

[tsusasi]

thought id go ahead and necro this thread, as the question on gifts as a form of subtle communication is important, and difficult.

oh was just thinking

Hmmmn you think 23 pieces of Silver a good snub, at someone who you see as perfidious, or think it will just be "Money, gee thanks"

noticed a lot of things available on Amazon...

There are a lot of inferences that could be made depending on the context of the gift.
As an educated Christian, I can say that if the giver is inferring that the recipient is an embezzling thief who will betray his friends is symbolized by twenty three pieces of silver, the gift giver (or if the recipient gets offended) is displaying their ignorance because it was the Pharisees who took 30 silver from the church treasury to pay Judas Iscariot (already known for embezzling). Thirty silver is also the price one paid if someone accidentally killed a slave according to Mosaic law.
It may be seen as a warning (or threat) to the recipient not to betray the trust placed in them or they could end up in an anonymous grave.
If the gift giver is a high up official or law enforcement type, it could be construed as a statement that he expects the recipient to inform on his associates.

[Hastur00]

Thirty silver is also the price one paid if someone accidentally killed a slave according to Mosaic law.

Oof. If they get the reference, that would make a hell of a "polite" rimshot after making official restitution for killing another's intimate ghoul or mortal.

"Fine, here's your damn property deed. Since we're already here, I got you a little something extra-"

*clattering*

*frenzy*

[Prince of the Night]

There are a lot of inferences that could be made depending on the context of the gift.
As an educated Christian, I can say that if the giver is inferring that the recipient is an embezzling thief who will betray his friends is symbolized by twenty three pieces of silver, the gift giver (or if the recipient gets offended) is displaying their ignorance because it was the Pharisees who took 30 silver from the church treasury to pay Judas Iscariot (already known for embezzling). Thirty silver is also the price one paid if someone accidentally killed a slave according to Mosaic law.
It may be seen as a warning (or threat) to the recipient not to betray the trust placed in them or they could end up in an anonymous grave.
If the gift giver is a high up official or law enforcement type, it could be construed as a statement that he expects the recipient to inform on his associates.

Any verses you can cite on Judas embezzling, so I know it's not a thing like Noah being laughed at by neighbour's, for building a ship on dry land, something that everyone has heard of, but with NOTHING in the bible to back it up.

[tsusasi]

Gospel of John chapter 12 verse 6 outright calls him a thief who took money from the moneybag for his own personal use.
The assertion that Noah was mocked because it had never before rained is an apocryphal claim. It's partially derived because Jesus himself said that the people of Noah's era went about their business heedless of his warning and the gradual completion of the ark right until the day the deluge started.

[Prince of the Night]

Wow...Rare I run into someone this educated, any thoughts on using the story of king Mannaseh as inspiration for a game?

He lived a life. Of decadence and sin, was conquered and carried away in chains..

Then humbled himself before the God of his father's and saw his kingdom restored