The Lords of Pangaea- Today!

[Korogra]

So after reading Santiago's setting for the Contagion Chronicles, doesn't it seem like Bird is the one responsible for this fresh hell? I mean, a bird-like monster with over-reaching sight which may be just channeling the power and a far more ancient avian monstrosity from a false dimension? Yeah, that's Bird all right.

Nah

It’s too obvious

[nofather]

That is what I was thinking. I think Acrozatarim responded to it in the Discord but I'd probably go with it as Bird anyways.

[LostLight]

So after reading Santiago's setting for the Contagion Chronicles, doesn't it seem like Bird is the one responsible for this fresh hell? I mean, a bird-like monster with over-reaching sight which may be just channeling the power and a far more ancient avian monstrosity from a false dimension? Yeah, that's Bird all right.

[LostLight]

And following the new update for Dark Eras 2, we now have an officially new Pangaean- Crocodile. It seems to be trapped between life and death (I assume it had few dots in Death Arcana which allowed it to cheat death, but still got stuck in an half dead state due to Wolf, I assume). It also created the saharusum, which seems to be crocodile-shifters of some kind, even though it is not yet clear if they are true werebeasts or if they are Hosts of some kind, and also if they are the results of the secret rites of Sobek's priests or not. It also seems to be bound in some way to the ghost of Death Wolf, and that at least one of its influences would be Hunger. While I assume that its finale fate would be revealed in Dark Eras, that's at least a nice spoiler to dwell upon! :P

[21C Hermit]

Another one showed up on Acrozatarim's paetron. https://www.patreon.com/posts/come-see-flowers-19716778"]Spring is here.[/URL]

It's a creepy one. I can't tell if it is alive or a memory.

Is it named Spring (making it “the” Pangaean of spring), or something else (making it “a” Pangaean of spring like Harvest)? At least the post’s title implies something about flowers...

[FallenEco]

Another one showed up on Acrozatarim's paetron. Spring is here.

It's a creepy one. I can't tell if it is alive or a memory.

[21C Hermit]

Flash of inspiration and half-formed ideas before getting carted off to mandatory military training; a Pangaean whose point in time defines what moment is the Present. If it jumps to the Past, then everyone left in the “Present” suddenly register as being in the Future to temporal magics, because the world itself says so, until the Pangaean returns to the “Present” to make it once again the Present.

[nofather]

I feel that there's plenty of horse symbolism that would make for an interesting Pangaean, but they weren't as important to humans in the Neolithic.

Importance to humans doesn't matter to Pangeans, that's something spirits enjoy (though don't require).

Regarding the host connection, we do have at least one host that seems to be linked to an idigam, as opposed to a Pangean. Seems like there's a lot that could happen to them in their shift towards becoming spirits (or other things) that might lead them to becoming something else. Plus these are big, powerful entities with agency of their own, the idea of one of them managing to pull off some hail mary isn't really far fetched.

[Cinder]

Actually, my suggestion was that Bat has shattered her Omphalus Stone, and as a result became the Obsidian Butterfly, a.k.a, turning from a Pangaean into an idigam. I'm not saying that all of the Moon Banished are former Pangaean, but it was established that the Pangaeans could become spirits, and the idigam are a form of spirit, right? In my head canon, a pangaean turning into an idigam is something in the style of a mage becoming one of the Mad- that is, shattering their own soul and losing their sense of identity in return, while also gaining a weird ability to twist and change the reality around them.

Gotcha. Well, nothing wrong with that and it's not an issue to make it work. There was a creature back in Pangea that made war against Helios and Luna and then ripped her heart out in pain and changed herself, becoming the Obsidian Butterfly. The exact nature of that creature before that is not clear, so we can make it Bat without any problems (and since she threw what made her "Bat" into the depths of the Earth, it makes sense for the Bat Host to spawn from there).

Might be even better than having her and Bat being two separate beings, now that I think about it.

[LostLight]

Oh, don't worry about that. That was ages ago, before plenty of new Werewolf material and lots of discussions about Pangeans, Hosts in 2nd Edition and such (not to mention I lurked and disappeared quite a bit back then). I tried to salvage the connection between my idigam and my Host as it was made back in 1st Edition, but nowadays I'd rather have Bat giving birth to the Bat Host (which I'm still fond of, don't get me wrong) and have the Obsidian Butterfly as an idigam unrelated to them. I like her too, but to keep that relationship between idigam and the Bats causes problem to both and keeps them bound to each other while also robbing them of potential.

As far as I'm concerned, if you want to have a Bat Pangean breaking her Omphalus and giving birth to the Suthilu I wrote, you have my blessing. I do the same. Consider it a 2nd Edition update between us fans.

EDIT: Also, this makes me think that perhaps I should move my Bat Host update higher on my list of things to do

Actually, my suggestion was that Bat has shattered her Omphalus Stone, and as a result became the Obsidian Butterfly, a.k.a, turning from a Pangaean into an idigam. I'm not saying that all of the Moon Banished are former Pangaean, but it was established that the Pangaeans could become spirits, and the idigam are a form of spirit, right? In my head canon, a pangaean turning into an idigam is something in the style of a mage becoming one of the Mad- that is, shattering their own soul and losing their sense of identity in return, while also gaining a weird ability to twist and change the reality around them.

[Vent0]

I feel that there's plenty of horse symbolism that would make for an interesting Pangaean, but they weren't as important to humans in the Neolithic. If they survived post-pangaea, however...

I'm getting the mental image of an ambitious Pangaean that planned for their own rise after the Sundering. Only to later fall prey to a Machine Spirit in modern time (representing the transition of humanity from animal-powered transportation to purely machine-powered transit).

[Gryphon's Feather]

I feel that there's plenty of horse symbolism that would make for an interesting Pangaean, but they weren't as important to humans in the Neolithic. If they survived post-pangaea, however...

[Cinder]

(I know that Cinder has detailed his version for Bat's finale fate, but I can't shake the vision of Bat shattering her Omphalus and becoming the idigam which birthed the Bat Host).

Oh, don't worry about that. That was ages ago, before plenty of new Werewolf material and lots of discussions about Pangeans, Hosts in 2nd Edition and such (not to mention I lurked and disappeared quite a bit back then). I tried to salvage the connection between my idigam and my Host as it was made back in 1st Edition, but nowadays I'd rather have Bat giving birth to the Bat Host (which I'm still fond of, don't get me wrong) and have the Obsidian Butterfly as an idigam unrelated to them. I like her too, but to keep that relationship between idigam and the Bats causes problem to both and keeps them bound to each other while also robbing them of potential.

As far as I'm concerned, if you want to have a Bat Pangean breaking her Omphalus and giving birth to the Suthilu I wrote, you have my blessing. I do the same. Consider it a 2nd Edition update between us fans.

EDIT: Also, this makes me think that perhaps I should move my Bat Host update higher on my list of things to do

[LostLight]

So while I've never read Stephan King or watched It, the discussion about "It as an idigam" by Cinder has made me to make a small research about the subject and I must say that the 12 Guardians do sound like something cool to adapt as Pangaean, even if without the whole Beams thing and the rest of the myth (unless you use the White as the God Machine and the Red as Inferno/Dark Mother or something). I mean, Wolf is already written as one such Guardian- and who knows? Perhaps he was the Guardian of the "CofD's Beam", together with Bird/Eagle, or Snake, or even Rat (with him going "bad" may be the reason for Wolf to hunt him down). Anyway, as adapting the Stephan King Universe is not the subject of this thread, I think that among the 12 Guardians, Wolf, Eagle (as Bird), Snake and Rat have their place in the setting. Turtle, Bear, Lion and Bat were also suggested in the thread itself (I know that Cinder has detailed his version for Bat's finale fate, but I can't shake the vision of Bat shattering her Omphalus and becoming the idigam which birthed the Bat Host). That leaves Horse, Elephant, Fish and Hare.

And for something completely different, another inspiration could be taken from the Chinese Zodiac- we have Rat, Bull, Tiger, Hare, Snake, Horse, Goat/Sheep, Monkey, Rooster (unlikely to be an aspect of Bird, IMO), Dog (Wolf?), Pig/Boar and Dragon- and Cat, who was tricked by Rat to miss the banquet. Again, some of those already exist in the setting (Rat, Bull, Snake, Boar, Cat and Wolf, in case he covers Dog), while Hare and Horse overlap with the previous suggestion. That leaves Tiger, Sheep, Monkey and Rooster as inspiration sources.

So- any ideas for those suggested Pangaeans and their place in the setting?

[21C Hermit]

So a question- after having Bird's writeup, do you still think she'll make a good patron/progenitor for the Distant Ones? I mean, it seems like the werefalcons don't have much in common with Bird, as they lack her cruelty, time/space manipulation abilities or augury, and have instead a major focus around royalty and distant kingship, as well as freedom and worthiness. Perhaps they are instead the children of Sky, or heck, maybe even the Sky Hunter (the Firstborn, that is)? Maybe Sky Hunter was the child of Wolf and Bird (don't ask why, seriously), and they have developed the Distant One's ritual after Pangaea's fall in an attempt to replicate their father's creation? Or maybe they are simply the children of Falcon, who is a Pangaean under Bird's rulership which does not really go with her ideology?

The Distant Ones could be descended from an “avian monstrosity with something of the guise of a human,” as written in the Feather Transmogrification power/phenomenon in Bird’s writeup.