[Dark Eras] Mother Wolf for Norse Uratha?

[nofather]

That communication is suspect, especially in a non-canon setting like the one being presented, and my definition is doing just fine considering that many among the Forsaken themselves disagree, let alone the Pure and other mythologies.

Where do you get the idea the Forsaken disbelieve in the Firstborn?

When you said that, it was in reference to the default beliefs of the printed line. Further, Luna and the Firstborn are even recognized in wyrdhampster's post as being extant.

No, I was referring to wyrdhamster's mythology. The mythology of the werewolves isn't monolithic because you have the Pure and Forsaken arguing over smaller things.

Tell me how North American exceptionalism and society wouldn't influence burgeoning cultures, and then refute the simple fact that Werewolf society is dependent upon human society both mechanically and narratively. Politics didn't influence the Sundering, matters politick did influence how the Sundering is approached, interpreted, and passed down as is the simple truth of oral traditions - yes, even those with talespinners who lived the experience, and especially in a fictional setting where the old are invariably unreliable narrators.

I'm sure you could justify anyone altering it to their own goals. But the myth we're given in the core book is the default myth, the common core, not influenced by North American politics or cultures. It's a story of what happened thousands of years ago. And it's fairly accurate.

Most real-world mythologies have a Great Flood or Cinderella story, but the context in which these stories are told and the intended morals are as diverse as the cultures that tell them. Just because there need to be some key similarities representing ineffable events doesn't mean that the interpretations of these events have to be the same.

I referred to those different interpretations as variations. For instance the Ivory Claws believe that their Firstborn totem, Silver Wolf, first saw Urfarah's weakness and challenged him and that the only reason the others were able to beat him later was because Silver Wolf weakened him. And some believe it's Father Wolf and Mother Luna while others might believe it's Mother Wolf and Father Luna. You even have extreme variations, like the Australian wolves who had no contact with other werewolves, didn't know of the Forsaken and Pure, have it, except instead of Pangaea they call it the Dreaming.

As for the setting, backtracking doesn't become you. The context given for the core game and most of its supplements are North American and North American views (or stereotypes of the same), you already agreed to that. I've already covered ties specifically to North American native tribes, and you yourself brought up one or two conceits based on the modern United States.
Mechanically, that means little outside the core book, but narratively it carries the implication of bias in what tales to tell and how to tell them.

As above, the use of American terminology doesn't extend to influencing the myth of the Sundering.

Within the core book, especially in second edition, the printed material speaks against what we're told about werewolf culture in supplements, leaving us with two options. First, that Luna is universal, and as such it makes sense that you ignore supplemental material. Second, that the core book doesn't wish to overwhelm new players with the nuance of a million cultures and subcultures, none of which can be adequately covered in a book to completion.
It is the second option that I subscribe to, and allow additional texts to supplement the world alongside any necessary homebrew.

The core and supplemental material both strike back to the common core mythology. I gave you a large list of places and eras they're depicted in. They're in the second edition core, the Pack, and various first edition books.

[wyrdhamster]

Reading Norse Mythology more, I think I found other interesting connection - young god Vali was changed in to wolf because he said truth and driven mad by transformation. Interesting would be to connect him with Rabid Wolf of Fire-Touched.

[wyrdhamster]

Small dictionary of local terms I use for Norse Uratha, in context of Mother of Wolves myth.

Luna / Moon – Mani, Father Moon
Urfarah / Wolf - Mother of Wolves, later Angerboda - One Who Brings Grief
Sun - Sól
Lunes - Hjukis, rarely Bils
Forsaken - De Övergivna
Pure - De Rena

[Seidmadr]

Small dictionary of local terms I use for Norse Uratha, in context of Mother of Wolves myth.

Luna / Moon – Mani, Father Moon
Urfarah / Wolf - Mother of Wolves, later Angerboda - One Who Brings Grief
Sun - Sól
Lunes - Hjukis, rarely Bils
Forsaken - De Övergivna
Pure - De Rena

I'd like to point out that an important aspect of Werewolf lore is that Wolf is long dead. Angerboda isn't.

[wyrdhamster]

I'd like to point out that an important aspect of Werewolf lore is that Wolf is long dead. Angerboda isn't.

Are there direct myths on this? I do know she is only Mother of Many Monsters. Mother do not need to live past birthing the children.

[Seidmadr]

Are there direct myths on this? I do know she is only Mother of Many Monsters. Mother do not need to live past birthing the children.

Well, Hel, the Midgard Serpent, and Fenrir were living with her. in her home, where Loki visited her, while he carried on the tryst with her.

[Jeremysbrain]

Here is my take on Uratha, Vikings and Norse mythology: The Wolf Age

Mani is sexually dimorphic, just like in regular forsaken mythology. Uratha usually see Mani as a mother.

Father Wolf, is Fenrir, who is distinct from and the father of Fenris-Ur the Firstborn.

Fenrir, was slain by his children which caused the Sundering. But he hadn't fulfilled his fate yet, so the Norns would just return him to life. Before he resurrected, Tyr drug him into the Underworld and chained him up. There he remains separated from Midgard and it's Shadow.