Character, Tribal and Auspice gift transfer from 1st to 2nd edition.

[PenDragon]

Story Letter Not addressing you. Making notes of my own.

No. You are clearly addressing him. Rule #1: Respect the Conversation. Critique and feedback are fine, being a snarky ass about it isn't.

[Malus]

Being antagonistic isn't necessary or helpful here, Malus. We have few enough people making conversions or, really, anything werewolf related.

Any content isn't better than subpar content.

[Story Letter]

Being antagonistic isn't necessary or helpful here, Malus.

Its actually immature.

[nofather]

Being antagonistic isn't necessary or helpful here, Malus. We have few enough people making conversions or, really, anything werewolf related.

[Story Letter]

And I will intrude to you whenever I want, your wellcome.

[Malus]

I'll post whenever I like, thank you very much.

[Story Letter]

Then don't post on the topic and make them on your own.

[Malus]

Story Letter Not addressing you. Making notes of my own.

[Story Letter]

Shifting Urge: Resisted rolls only substract 1 attribute. Contested rolls are different. Also, if you're making it resisted, you should limit it to a number of turns equal to successes. If it is contested, keep the mirroring form thing.

As it is written in the book yes it does, then just remove stamina from the roll and voila.

Rip Apart: Several things: 1) The rules in grappling with lupine jaws already establish they can bite, and grapple at the same time. 2) You can save like 50% of word count by stating simply "while grappling, your opponents cannot regenerate". I'd add the caveat to allow gauru to regen, regardless. 3) "Appart" isn't a word.

Not all players are familiar to the 2nd edition rules. no regeration in gauru sorry, this facet is specifically for that purpose. Plus in order for the facet to work you must sink claw or fang to flesh and deal damage while establishing a grapple, which can happen only in the 3 woolf like forms and maybe to the more human ones with partial transformation, if you have the wolf facet.
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Brutality intrudes in Urshul design space.

You need to spend essence for every time you use it so its fine. Lucky urshul that has one free use.

Probably should name the gift "Presence of the Wolf Slayer". Should probably mention how to prevent the gift from targeting packmates. Restrict it to single target? Up to Honor in targets? Make a condition for trying to flee while in Kuruth?

Well the facet is intended to be used against prey, not packmates. in order for a packmate to become target for this facet he must become hostile to the gift user. Its an aura gift so it prob should affect all targets in 10 yard radious per Honor, that sounds better.

Savage Spirit: Word it like Lay Low the Challenger.

Nyaaahh savage must be savage even to the spirit ways.

Somewhere in the gift description (not the facets) clarify these only work on Uratha.

Well that is the original idea, but it can be easily used on other theriomorphs and maaaaaybe to enemies with similar traits.But so far it is only intended to kill werewolves.

[Malus]

Shifting Urge: Resisted rolls only substract 1 attribute. Contested rolls are different. Also, if you're making it resisted, you should limit it to a number of turns equal to successes. If it is contested, keep the mirroring form thing.

Rip Apart: Several things: 1) The rules in grappling with lupine jaws already establish they can bite, and grapple at the same time. 2) You can save like 50% of word count by stating simply "while grappling, your opponents cannot regenerate". I'd add the caveat to allow gauru to regen, regardless. 3) "Appart" isn't a word.

Brutality intrudes in Urshul design space.

Probably should name the gift "Presence of the Wolf Slayer". Should probably mention how to prevent the gift from targeting packmates. Restrict it to single target? Up to Honor in targets? Make a condition for trying to flee while in Kuruth?

Savage Spirit: Word it like Lay Low the Challenger.

Somewhere in the gift description (not the facets) clarify these only work on Uratha.

[Story Letter]

Ok everyone, here's the moment you were all waiting for!

Gift of the Slayer Wolf
Shifting Urge (Cunning): The gift may be used while shapeshifting in urshul or urhan, spend 1 Essence (R) and roll manipulation+ subterfuge + Cunning - Stamina + Primal Urge, the enemy takes the form the character just shifted in and stays in that form for as along as the gift user remains also in that same form.
Exceptional Success: the prey gains the Stunned tilt.

Rip Apart (Glory): The werewolf must initiate a grapple with fangs and claws and make damage at the same time, as long as his fangs and claws rip the victim appart while grappling, its wounds may not be healed by any means, if the victim manages to break free its wounds may be healed normally, the effects of the gift are permanent.

Presence of the Slayer Wolf (Honor): Spend one essence (Inst) and roll Presence + Intimidatikon + Honor. Any one who sees the gift user and fails a Composure + Primal Urge gains the Demoralized condition which cannot be resolved as long as the victim is in the user's presence.
Exceptional Success: The victim enters basu-im and runs away from the gift user. Victims allready in basu-im instinctively run away.

Brutality (Purity): Spend on essence (reflexive) any time you make a bite or claw attack, your attack, deals a tilt on one of enemy's limbs. choose arm wrack, or legg wrack tilt. You simply don't need to make a Specified target attack.

Savage Spirit (Wisdom): With a vicious snapping of the werewolf's jaws, one essence point and a roll of intelligence + occult + Wisdom ( Instant) vs composure + Primal Urge, the prey gains the Essence Overload condition for the rest of the scene.
Exceptional Success: The werewolf gains one essence point every turn, for one turn per wisdom renown he owns.

[Story Letter]

Coolness !!!

[nofather]

Its ok not agreeing with an idea, but don't say things like, ''don't expect to be followed'', threads are to be followed by anyone who cares about the topic, if you don't care don't paricipate, no hard feelings.

Oh I see. I didn't mean don't expect the thread to be followed. I meant don't expect other people would use the same 'this is a one tribe-only Gift' thing. Sorry for that, I can be unclear at times.

[Story Letter]

Of course anyone can do anything they like, afterall I made this topic for personal reason, if it helps other people put there, even better, I don't remember trying convince anyone for anything, I don't get why you come up with the yours and mine things.

Its ok not agreeing with an idea, but don't say things like, ''don't expect to be followed'', threads are to be followed by anyone who cares about the topic, if you don't care don't paricipate, no hard feelings.

[nofather]

Why not? Afterall this is what this topic is about. Afterall it is about the conversion of a first edition of a tribal gift to the second edition. This is the core theme of the topic. It has a descent follow so far.

Because your setting is your setting. You have different needs than other people do when making or running their own games. Gifts are something people can get behind easier, but restrictive rules on said gifts that don't necessarily fit within the setting as written aren't.

Look, werewolves are not hunting only one prey,or only their sacred prey, its just that so far there is not a tribal gift list that boosts their tribal sacred hunting, appart from that, a sacred prey gift list its just another mood element, that you may or may not include in a setting, like anything else in the game. If the rituals are enough for you for example, fine by me, afterall there is a level 5 ritual that allows you to do aggravated to werewolves, you can easily make variations of it for each tribe and allow them to make aggravated to their favored prey.

You wouldn't really need to, humans take aggravated from eating, spirits and claimed you find their own bane, and so forth.

Also gifts are not that open, not more than the old edition, you are not likely to see a hunter in darkness with weather gifts or a blood talon with elemental gifts. Not that it can't happen but it needs far great effort in roleplaying and experience, like in the old edition, if you find a spirit and you are able to convince it you can gain any gift, given that it is not a Moon gift.

As first edition went on they stopped mentioning whether Gifts were Affinity and Non-Affinity and just said things like they were the 'mainstay' of a lodge or 'Red Wolf's' Gifts. It is basically the same, any werewolf can get any Gift, so why would you make a Gift tribe only?

That said I think you're really overestimating the rarity of getting Gifts outside of your lodges affinity, as well as how much effort and Experience it takes. It just takes two more Experience dots to open the Gift and a sacred hunt. Once you get that down extra facets cost the same as Affinity Gifts would. My own character had two non-Affinity Gifts, with five facets between them. All of the example werewolves in the book have multiple Non-Affinity Gifts.