The Pack is here!

[Leliel]

Does anyone else think the Vampire section of 'The Other' packmates block stood out a bit oddly? It seems very negative toward the idea. Vampires have numbers and social influence, but 'Not all packs want, or need, to take shortcuts.' Which is true, but then goes on to the Mage section and has them recruiting Mages to be shamans and warrior-priests and to help them take shortcuts.

Vampires, generally, are jerks. Jerks who are honest about being jerks, jerks with a good justification, but they're still assholes who also happen to be living addiction metaphors. Shortcuts tend to sour when the path to shortcut takes a detour through someone whose entire priority system revolves around repeatedly draining the blood of other people and making a good environment to take said blood in.

Even Beasts, at least, aren't biologically geared towards making all the mortals around them miserable if they're eating well, and in fact the Dark Mother would prefer it if they nudged the world into becoming a better place via fear stick. Vampires make the world worse as a matter of course.

[ArcaneArts]

Up to an Electrum seller now! I... have no idea what that means



Well, one thing worth noting is that *all* the Tribal pillar Lodges (and all the Lodges in general, tbh) need a significant overhaul at all levels for the new edition.

Admittedly, yes, you'd still want to know what the 1e version was like to be able to harvest the best bits from it for building the new monstrosity.

Need to know the child to present the adult, as it goes. If I can find someone to borrow the book from(Or heaven forbid, buy the PDF), I'll get back in the queue.

[Acrozatarim]

Up to an Electrum seller now! I... have no idea what that means

EDIT: Nevermind, don't have the Lodge Book they're in, so I'd trip all over the presentation.

Well, one thing worth noting is that *all* the Tribal pillar Lodges (and all the Lodges in general, tbh) need a significant overhaul at all levels for the new edition.

Admittedly, yes, you'd still want to know what the 1e version was like to be able to harvest the best bits from it for building the new monstrosity.

[nofather]

It just hit Electrum, woo.

The Lodge of the Cage sounds like an interesting group. But I suppose they all do, really.

I think it could use some Gifts, but it's very interesting to hear about the Cull. Sort of makes you wonder how some of these ideas pop up, thousands of years later.

[ArcaneArts]

So the reference to wily Crows is of course the Lodge of Crows, ie one of the Storm Lord tribal pillars. I figured that if anyone was likely to have the savvy and sheer wit to catch fae-things in their net, it'd be the Lodge that specialises in that sort of informant/influence/info-gathering hunt approach.

Ah.

...

Anyone call dibs yet?

EDIT: I wouldn't tie them to the freehold request-I still feel like that's Mennina territory. That doesn't stop the Crows having grabbed my attention.

EDIT: Nevermind, don't have the Lodge Book they're in, so I'd trip all over the presentation.

[Acrozatarim]

I have to applaud this book for just drowning the text in off-hand plot hooks. Five Lodges are detailed in depth, but dozens are mentioned briefly and with enough bait on the hook to make me want to know more about each one; a bunch of Totems are likewise tossed in there.

I need a writeup on the Tindalosi yesterday.

Yeah, the examples and references to all the Lodges was a specific style decision I took to try and make the text as useful as possible.

If I wrote up the Tinalosi, I'd want to write up the Clocktower at the same time given the two Lodges really don't get on with each other.

Holy crap, Malta is exactly what I wanted it to be. The 2e settings continue to deliver.

Glad you like it Malta is probably the most fun hunting ground, from my perspective, with all its weirdness and the way it plugs in to the wider world.

Oh, hey, Wily Crows, I don't even need to fish to build, I'll just build that Lodge.

So the reference to wily Crows is of course the Lodge of Crows, ie one of the Storm Lord tribal pillars. I figured that if anyone was likely to have the savvy and sheer wit to catch fae-things in their net, it'd be the Lodge that specialises in that sort of informant/influence/info-gathering hunt approach.

So the Eaters-of-the-Dead definitely have the makings of a potential full blown Tribe - a Firstborn patron + a Prey not covered by the other Tribes (the undead). Hmmm... if they made the jump, I'm pondering what their Gift list would look like. Ideally they shouldn't crib directly from the Bone-Shadows. Maybe bring Blood & Bone Gifts back from 1E for them...

I've mulled over this; I think I'd create a new Hunger or Carrion Gift for them.

For bonus points, I'd give the same Gift to the Lodge of the Field of Dogs if they ever hit the tribal level of power.

[Ephsy]

Man, I want all the tribal pillars, like yesterday.

[MCN]

So the Warden in Dubai he's a Demon right?

Sounds like a God Machine angel, to be perfectly honest. Warden is a typical name that an angel might adapt, its working towards a highly organized plan, it arrived when a complex industrial plan came to fruition, it has strange mastery over the Hisil that implies a Power behind it, and an Agency has interest in working against it.

[Acrozatarim]

More Lodges to ask about. The Cull of China, the Lodge of the Blue Moon, and the Hollow Rivers.

My notion for the Cull is that they're a modern revival of the Cull from Sundered World, re-emerging in China initially.

The Blue Moon, well, if I get to write on whatever book covers Wounds, Bale Hounds, etc, they'd be a suitable topic for that.

Hollow Rivers are actually supposed to be Hollow Reivers, but it looks like it got (in)corrected in editing - easy enough mistake to make! I'll have to ask for it to be errata'd back once I get my comp pdf and know what page etc it's on.

The Lodge of Apollo and Lodge of the Screaming Moon have each reinforced for me that we need a modern-day space blue-book. Hell, at this rate we may even need one just for Werewolf. Both Lodges are bloody brilliant and great adventure fodder.

Glad you like them! I have notions about space/the metaphysics of the different bands of boundary around the world.

What's the Temple of Apollo like?

Of the five sample Lodges in the book, they're the ones who are outright blasphemous; they just hide it well behind nice decor, high-class parties and hungry smiles.

[Ana Mizuki]

I'm going to review each chapter here as I read through them.

Chapter 1:

The in-depth explanation of pack nature is pretty good here. The chapter presents four packs, each which are structured differently. There is a game studio, a station of firemen, a group of uratha who fear hurting others so much they leave everything but killing to their wolf-blooded and human packmates, and a group of therapists helping the poor and on the sidelines offering support for the rich and criminal who are addicted.

There is also a focus on what makes the pack unified and ideas how they gain new members with lovely gray morality to it. A new system of the First Hunt is introduced, and it ties with the system of Troupe Play. Having used it myself, I can recommend the system.

Overall, the chapter offers a good amount of options to make a pack work and encourage players to think more on the pack. Best of all, it is very simple and open. The need for a pack and the lack of pack (or tribe) is brought up well. Most packs look at Ghost Wolves with suspicion, very much like any insular group would someone who refuses to ally.

Though, I would have liked to see an example of a more wolf-like or a rural pack. Three of the four packs were based on the work the characters did. Though, each pack's methology was different. The sole more supernaturally based pack is a very border case, though a cool one. It still doesn't stand for a more 'werewolf' pack, in truth.

I would have also liked to get some bios for some pack members in each pack.

[nofather]

Just so's you know, there is more supporting content for The Pack coming. I wrote up an additional section for each Lodge, titled 'Mysteries', which details some specific oddities, heresies, ritual practices and the like that the Lodge possesses - like the Lodge of Garm rejecting the second tenet of the Oath of the Moon, and the like. They're only short, but it was a toss-up between them and the story hooks sections, and the story hooks won out for the main book. So that's another 1,500 words or so that'll be turning up as a web supplement or blog post at some point.

Jawesome. It just passed Exalted on the Hottest Titles list.

[Acrozatarim]

Just so's you know, there is more supporting content for The Pack coming. I wrote up an additional section for each Lodge, titled 'Mysteries', which details some specific oddities, heresies, ritual practices and the like that the Lodge possesses - like the Lodge of Garm rejecting the second tenet of the Oath of the Moon, and the like. They're only short, but it was a toss-up between them and the story hooks sections, and the story hooks won out for the main book. So that's another 1,500 words or so that'll be turning up as a web supplement or blog post at some point.

l absolutely love the Dubai chapter. Kudos to whoever wrote it, they absolutely nailed the city.

Glad you like it!

Well...I'm certainly disturbed by being able to rebirth a Pangean by having a Werewolf consume its corpse.

Well you see... Look! Over there, a bear! *hides*

Also, I'm in LOVE with the Lodge System. Everything is so easily handled that it feels like a simple trick to crank out our own ideas.

I'm pleased you're finding that - I definitely wanted to make the Lodge system feel a bit more coherent mechanically.

I may ask Stew if I can do a blog post with more guidance for Lodge creation, like I did for Gifts.

Ravening Wolf seems to have some elements centered around eating disorders and cultural opinions about eating. She starts off eating everything, and attempts to correct by forcing herself to place herself to view eating as a sacred task, and developing a sense of gratitude. The lodge dedicated to her is based off of changing one's eating pattern from eating live animals and spirits to eating. This would come off as shameful in Forsaken society, because they have come to close to being scavengers and would be compared to dogs, not wolves.

I really like the added foil of the Dog lodge, they really drive home what makes this lodge so deviant.

The Eaters were really interesting to write, and I had fun with making Ravening Wolf more than just 'I wanna eat everything'.

All in all my only complaints are in the vein of 'wanting more.' The Lodges are super cool and interesting, I want to join one already and build a dozen more. The Jaw Hags? The Lodge of the Seven Venoms? I want to know more about them. The cult-like feel is palpable, especially with the totems and their possessing. And the Temple of Apollo! Light shines out your eyes and mouth as you eat the souls of your sacred prey!

Who knows? Maybe I'll be allowed to do proper write-ups for some of them - I'd love to give the Jaw Hags in particular full coverage.

[nofather]

What the God-Machine "needs" at any given point can seem arbitrary and confusing to, well, pretty much anyone else.

It just seems 'Demons are interested, it must be God-Machine' is a bit on the nose. But fair enough, I don't really know enough about Demon to say for sure anyways.

Does anyone else think the Vampire section of 'The Other' packmates block stood out a bit oddly? It seems very negative toward the idea. Vampires have numbers and social influence, but 'Not all packs want, or need, to take shortcuts.' Which is true, but then goes on to the Mage section and has them recruiting Mages to be shamans and warrior-priests and to help them take shortcuts.

[Elfive]

What the God-Machine "needs" at any given point can seem arbitrary and confusing to, well, pretty much anyone else.

[nofather]

Oil, an obsession with keeping the peace, and hatred of things that take resources without giving anything back has "loyalist angel" written all over it, though. The fact the Unchained seem interested clinches the deal in my mind-I think the God-Machine's running experiments into taming the Shadow, and the Agency is keeping tabs on the competition (in particular given how the Warden isn't a hunter, it's way too busy with spiritual agriculture).

The God-Machine wouldn't need something like the Broken Man, though, would it?