Death influence

[Thiagocord]

Hey guys, my troup got some trouble to use death influence , i was thinking to se death arcanum from mage as guide , but i whats a uratha can really do with death influence ar four?

[nofather]

Probably cause straight necrotic damage with Create Death. With the first three I'd imagine possibly some wounds or illnesses becoming profoundly more nasty, like getting the worst of the tilt effects. You could empower or weaken ghosts.

I think using Manipulation you could 'stave off' an otherwise immediate Death.

If you do use the Death Arcanum, I'd suggest keeping it focused to Death-specific actions, as the Arcanum really encompasses a lot more than a spirit of death might. I think, at least. I haven't much thought of it but I suppose Influence Death might have similar purview. Not entirely, but for the most part. Would be interesting to see other views on this.

[Charlaquin]

I would say Strengthen Death could speed up entropic processes, causing withering or decaying things to break down at an accelerated rate, maybe aging subjects rapidly or shortening their lifespans; basically anything the artifact from the Moon Window story seed in GMC could do. Manipulate Death is kind of tricky, but I agree with nofather you could probably use it to stave off death, slowing the same processes Strengthen Death accelerates. With Control Death I reckon you'd be able to alter those entropic effects horizontally - maybe change what a subject is dying from, or alter the way in which matter is breaking down. Create Death seems pretty straightforward, it kills things. Although since Create is always temporary without Influence 5, anything you killed with it would come back eventually. Once you get to Mass Create Death, you can kill lots of subjects for a short time, or a single subject permanently. All this is, of course, in addition to the effects all Influences can have on like-aligned Manifestation Conditions.

[Elfive]

I'm pretty sure anything you killed with Create Death would stay dead. In Mage parlance, it's a lasting effect.

For example stuff you burn with Create Fire stays burned. Same principle applies here.

[milo v3]

I'm pretty sure anything you killed with Create Death would stay dead. In Mage parlance, it's a lasting effect.

For example stuff you burn with Create Fire stays burned. Same principle applies here.

With create fire, the burns are a result of the fire not the fire itself. The fire itself disappears after the abilities duration.

So with create death, things that are a result of the death (like idk, a loved one's panic attack or animals eating parts of the body while the person is dead) will last but the death itself disappears after the abilities duration.

[Elfive]

So with create death, things that are a result of the death will last ... after the abilities duration.

Considering they won't be breathing while it lasts, this conveniently includes "being dead".

[milo v3]

Considering they won't be breathing while it lasts, this conveniently includes "being dead".

They don't need to breathe while dead in this way since their brain is already dead.

[Elfive]

Alright, what about the blood clots that'll probably form if your heart just stops for a few minutes?

[nofather]

For Create Death doing straight damage I was referring to necrosis, the death of living cells, not just a feign death situation.



If it's doing Lethal, it's not a matter of 'Put some ice on it and rest for an hour.'

You can do a search for necrotizing if you want more graphic images.

[milo v3]

Alright, what about the blood clots that'll probably form if your heart just stops for a few minutes?

The persons blood would not clot in areas that lack damage, as the blood would not come in contact with collagen. So that isn't an issue either.

[Thiagocord]

So many good ideas, a irraka from house of death wants upgrade damage on enemies with strenghten death , this is really possible?

[Monghani]

Oh yeah, increasing damage is definitely possible. Just like Influence can be used to enhance health, structure, or whatever. If its tied to the concept it can be Strengthened, Manipulated, Controlled, or Created to do what you want in that purview. Sadly, its pretty esoteric and thematic rather than being hardcoded mechanically. So people have to basically come up with what they want to be legal at their own table.

[Charlaquin]

So many good ideas, a irraka from house of death wants upgrade damage on enemies with strenghten death , this is really possible?

I would say it depends on the nature of the attack. Biting or clawing? Probably not. Shooting someone with a gun? Again, I'd say no. Stabbing them with a Fetish weapon with a death spirit bound to it? Absolutely. Using a Rite on an effigy of your prey to inflict them with necrosis? You'd better believe it.

[Elfive]

The persons blood would not clot in areas that lack damage, as the blood would not come in contact with collagen. So that isn't an issue either.

Blood can clot internally. Have you never heard of deep vein thrombosis?

[Acrozatarim]

I would feel quite content, for my games, ruling that someone slain by Create Death would remain thoroughly dead when the supernatural effect lifted.