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[MarkK]

I did a single edit to a post and got hit by the spam thing again....

[MarkK]

As long as those initial and experienced players aren't deviating from VtM 5th's at this point pretty explicitly intended core playstyle, this is an accurate enough statement. The actual system is very built around low scale "Hunger+Feeding+Maybe some low scale early vampire street level things in-between", and the main guidelines given for STs across multiple published books now for things like Touchstones are "have them be threatened by something" as far as their seeming place as more punitive mechanism to make sure a playstyle is being enforced than rp encouragement aid...

[MarkK]

That's a bit.. non sequitur-y to reply like that then? It's just a note that something achieving broad scale cultural notability is not always the same thing as whether it's good or not....

[MarkK]

Do I need to repost it? Ask if I can repost it first? Etc?

[MarkK]

I'm really not sure what you're trying to say in reply to me there....

[MarkK]

I suppose the one other thing I would otherwise note is, ultimately, while not as once it was, this game is five years old. It hasn't folded. While not one that has pushed it into some gaming upper stratosphere, it has its own fanbase who have probably never known anything but this version of VtM at this point, and part of the entire goal was to get said new fanbase. And if they get kudos along the way from the older fans who feel vindicated by this edition's choices (for all that I happen to personally feel those choices are ill made, smug, and vengeful), hey, bonus.

That doesn't...

[MarkK]

Oh hey, I'm not overall saying whether mainstream is good or bad, I'm just noting, odds of it ever being such again are super low, and if that has been an actual goal of the current VtM making team, they have definitely not met it in any real sense. And to a certain extent, that might be impossible for them to do anyway, as things stand culturally.

(Well, no, the one nice thing about mainstream and gaming is that it's certainly easier to find players and games and even be spoiled for choice when something is popular, there is that.)