In your opinion is Mage too attached to real life politics??

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Actually, i had not considered that. Yeah, i guess that identity politics do feel a lot more "visceral" than,say, last year's budget. So, it's possible that this made writers less likely to constrain themselves? After all, here you have these people representing beliefs that have been hurt in real life. And there you have some people (e.g the septarians and other conservative choristers) representing the ones that have done the hurting. Of course, some books will mention that few magical paradigms are a direct copy of real life beliefs, but it seems like this detail was observed more...

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I am not sure if the later even counts as an ideology lol.
Still, I kinda wish I could get objective demographics.
Maybe force everyone to get a political ideology quiz? ...

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Yes, don't worry I am well aware that primus is not just prime or that corona is not just mind etc. Anyway I will buy the books in question and figure it out myself...

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Many thanks. I find all of this highly interesting.
In particular I want to use minor Spheres to fill some gaps for dark ages mage.
I know that in that game mages are not supposed to be doing everything with the same kind of ease, but some spaces do need filling in my opinion

In essence a minor sphere, as I understand it, could be seen as, say, a sorcerer path albeit with the pros and cons of true Magick?...

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I realise I am necrothreading, but I am curious.
What are the political beliefs of the average, say, vampire or Exalted player
The 50th percentile so to speak
Assume that we are ignoring economic issues for simplicity sake
. Does anyone have a guess? I am willing to assume our average is to the left of centre, but only because I assume that a fundamentalist Christian is unlikely to play these games
Then again, with Christianity in decline would a secular hard right person have the same taboo?...

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Do you remember how much xp it costs?
I actually consider adopting the concept for dark ages mage
A minor pillar, so to speak...

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Lower experience costs? Strange, i thought the St handbook gave them "current rating x 8" just as usual

Did this book of Fragments change it?...

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Honestly, the minor Spheres thing has been implemented in the forms of the pillars. The only difference is that pillars are more, uhm, heavy,. than minor...

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I never quite understood what is supposed to be wrong with the original Kote . I don't have a degree in east asian history so i'd really like to know...

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I just don't get this, though. I do not understand what led to this. You'd think, for instance, that the people who wrote, say, guide to the Camarilla, guide to the Sabbat, Dharma book devil tigers, etc, are also against the behaviors described within.
After all, none of the writers was ever accused of carrying big black blood-stained bags in the middle of the night, right?* And they all had some little sidebars "you are not a serial killer, or if you are, please get help" written in the books

So, i don't get why this is missing in the Mage books. It's as if the entire...

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A misunderstanding on my part then....

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In retrospect, I regret naming the thread as I did, but I believe
I clarified I was not referring to things like race, gender, sexuality, etc. Mages are less divorced from normal humans than vampires so it kinda makes sense. I do have an issue with the crude way they are presented, but the main subject is the "style" the books are written.



For the record I am gay, kinda androgynous looking and a bit neuroatypical, so I assure you this thread is NOT meant to be
a stealthy way of saying that I hate gays

Perhaps there is some better...

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In retrospect, i should have given a different name to this thread. I meant it in the sense of " Do the RL politics of the writers affect the way the actual traditions are presented, based on whether or not the groups represent something that the writer(s) hate in a way that is simply not there in any other gameline?" So i guess the fault is mine for not clarifying it.
If you need any comfirmation, go read say. the order of hermes books and compare them with,say, the euthanatos or dreamspeakers books.

Yes, ascension is not about power. But this says nothing about the...

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Vampire may be a cynical view of elites, but it is presented from a very cold and detached perspective. That is, it seems to be realistic in its portrayal of how power works, albeit heavily
exaggerated by the realities of being a vampire(such as the fact that your bosses will never retire). Had it been written like mage, however, it would have basically said "here's how your anarch players can change things, because of course you will be an anarch"

For instance, i have to admire whomsoever wrote "guide to the sabbat". You can sort of see his personal disgust...

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Mage is full of people arguing that 2+2=5 just because the hyper-literal interpretation of some page says so...

Is m20 sorcerer actually worth it? Compared to,say, 2nd edition sorcerer?...

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For the record, i am NOT referring to things like gender, race, sexuality, etc, at least for the purpose of this thread . I am not even necessarily talking about M20 per se. Rather, i am talking about the very way the game is structured.


For instance, what is the single most hated tradition in Mage? Not by players, but rather "which one has a lot of bad things written about it"
I think the answer is, obviously, the Order of Hermes. My issue is not, for instance, that the order has politics, or is hypocritical, or evil or whatever. What bothers me is that all...